Excellent CCTV Traffic Cam for Leeds roads

simonm · Post by **simonm** » Tue 15 Jan, 2008 4:34 pm

Si wrote: I know a police officer, and she said it would be a good idea to take everyone's DNA for the database. When I asked if she was willing to donate hers volunteraly, she said no. Say no more. Trouble is, if it's neatly wrapped up in a nice way, the majority accept it. Take Disney for example, why do they take your finger prints when you enter. Either give them volunatary or not be allowed in, thus spoiling your family hols. Also the outcry over fingerprinting at the side of the road by UK police? Idea abandoned, but I bet it won't be long before it happenes. Conspiracy? Maybe not, but so long as the mases keep bleating about "I've done nowt wrong so why should I be worried" we really will find our selves in an Orwellian "Big Brother state" eventually

Post by **tyke bhoy** » Tue 15 Jan, 2008 4:41 pm

Disney is slightly different. As I understand it the fingerprinting is to prevent several people using the same ticket and the records could well be destroyed after the ticket's expiry date. Also other than in and around the park it doesn't allow tracking of movements and there is certainly no linking between the fingerprints and any other personal data.They are the finger prints of the holder of ticket no xxxxxxx and that is the only record.

simonm · Post by **simonm** » Tue 15 Jan, 2008 4:49 pm

tyke bhoy wrote: Disney is slightly different. As I understand it the fingerprinting is to prevent several people using the same ticket and the records could well be destroyed after the ticket's expiry date. Also other than in and around the park it doesn't allow tracking of movements and there is certainly no linking between the fingerprints and any other personal data.They are the finger prints of the holder of ticket no xxxxxxx and that is the only record. Very possible, but call me cynical, do you really feel that "they destroy the records after?" Also, as you enter the US, you are requied to have a phot AND your fingerprints scanned! At least the Bush administration knows who and where you are!!

Si · Post by Si » Tue 15 Jan, 2008 4:57 pm

simonm wrote: Si wrote: I know a police officer, and she said it would be a good idea to take everyone's DNA for the database. When I asked if she was willing to donate hers volunteraly, she said no. Say no more. Trouble is, if it's neatly wrapped up in a nice way, the majority accept it. Take Disney for example, why do they take your finger prints when you enter. Either give them volunatary or not be allowed in, thus spoiling your family hols. Also the outcry over fingerprinting at the side of the road by UK police? Idea abandoned, but I bet it won't be long before it happenes. Conspiracy? Maybe not, but so long as the mases keep bleating about "I've done nowt wrong so why should I be worried" we really will find our selves in an Orwellian "Big Brother state" eventually There will never be a true Orwellian state as written in "1984." Call me pedantic, but to have a person watching every other person 24 hours a day, you need a whole parallel population to do it. And who watches them?But I know what you mean!

simonm · Post by **simonm** » Tue 15 Jan, 2008 5:04 pm

But Si, you don't have to have a singular watching a singular do you? I'm obviously playing devils advocate here, but the "system" will very soon be able to detect and warn on where indivuals are doing and going!! Take a look at these. Fact? Fiction? You decide! http://www.naturodoc.com/library/public ... 0.htmlJust two examples! How close are the human race to compulsary ideas of this nature?

Si · Post by Si » Tue 15 Jan, 2008 5:11 pm

Hmmm......I'm locking the door and I ain't coming out....

Post by **chameleon** » Tue 15 Jan, 2008 7:30 pm

bramley13 wrote: who pays for it all,its great when they catch crooks and muggers ect.But by the time your going to get stuck in a traffic jam,the last thing you want to hear on the radio,is theres a jam, you all ready know your in it. Hey - you too Bramley! infuriating isn't it? Still they do their best and at least you know why you're going nowhere!You would think though that the monitoring and all this suveilance could tell us a little earlier.One interesting thing I've found, if you hear of a snarl up sometime into the event, this can be the best way to go - everyone else has already gone the other way and snarled that up!!

Post by **chameleon** » Tue 05 Jan, 2010 10:05 am

Brandy wrote: i don't no if anyone else has found this site here http://www.leedstravel.info/cdmf-webser ... ctv.jspbut as a user of most of these roads on a morning i have found this site a blessingADMIN> if you read this will you put this thread in the right subcategory please as i wasn't sure how. But (at a time they are of real value) so many unavailable and many images hours old!

Middleton Sheriff · Post by **Middleton Sheriff** » Tue 05 Jan, 2010 11:28 am

It's always going to be a difficult balancing act, security over civil rights or vice versa.The murder of police officer Sharon Beshenevisky in Bradford 2005 was solved by use of traffic cameras and monitoring of ANPR results all the way from West Yorkshire to London.A society gets the police force and justice system it deserves or is willing to pay for. You want to pay less you get streets patrolled by PCSO, street wardens, neighbourhood patrols or whatever it is called this week. Cheaper, less trained and a lot less pay than a bobby. City Centres covered by CCTV, roads monitored by CCTV, speed cameras and Highway Officers. Some services porvided by volunteer workers.You get what you pay for.

Post by **chameleon** » Tue 05 Jan, 2010 2:48 pm

Middleton Sheriff wrote: It's always going to be a difficult balancing act, security over civil rights or vice versa.The murder of police officer Sharon Beshenevisky in Bradford 2005 was solved by use of traffic cameras and monitoring of ANPR results all the way from West Yorkshire to London.A society gets the police force and justice system it deserves or is willing to pay for. You want to pay less you get streets patrolled by PCSO, street wardens, neighbourhood patrols or whatever it is called this week. Cheaper, less trained and a lot less pay than a bobby. City Centres covered by CCTV, roads monitored by CCTV, speed cameras and Highway Officers. Some services porvided by volunteer workers.You get what you pay for. And pay dearly I think in financial terms.How often do you see footage of some atrocity being shown on the news with a distinct lack of attendance oir action whilst the event is in progress followed by .... if you can help please phone. Official statistics show the limited effect and value of such surveilance both in solving and more consequential, preventing crime.