Burley Bar Stone - and the rest

Phill_dvsn · Post by **Phill_dvsn** » Mon 03 Mar, 2014 12:27 am

Have you the larger version of the first map you've posted Mark?The 1725 Cossins map? It would be interesting to see if the other bar stones are listed at that date.

mark1978 · Post by **mark1978** » Mon 03 Mar, 2014 12:32 am

Best I've found of the full thing:

Phill_dvsn · Post by **Phill_dvsn** » Mon 03 Mar, 2014 12:42 am

I'm wondering if this chap has any relevance to the story?John Harrison the wealthy businessman and benefactor of the town.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harri ... ds%29*John Harrison was the owner of a large tract of land lying at the top of Briggate, beyond the modern streets Upper and Lower Headrow. Sometime after 1626 Harrison and six other wealthy townsmen, combined to buy the manorial rights of Leeds from the Crown and bring it under the control of the Leeds Corporation. He was well respected throughout the city and often played a role in local politics.In 1624 he built a new Grammar School to replace the old school at the top of Lady Lane. Thoresby tells us that he; 'removed it from so inconvenient a Situation to a pleasant Field of his own'. The pleasant field was situated between what is now the Grand Theatre and North Street; the school had a school yard, and was surrounded by a wall*.........................................................................So he owned all the land in question, possibly built the chapel, and was part owner of the manorial rights of Leeds. It would make sense that all boundaries were marked out at this time?Thanks for the map also Mark. I have looked at that before. I'll see if I can clean it up and see if the other bar stones are marked on it

Leodian · Post by **Leodian** » Mon 03 Mar, 2014 1:10 am

The maps do show that Lady Lane is an old street and therefore possibly of significance to Leeds history. I notice that the 'A new and exact plan of the town of Leedes' shows Lady Lane having a bridge over Sheepscar Beck, so I wonder if it may be a bridge that part of which may remain but hidden that Phill filmed in his superb hidden Sheepscar Beck thread. Sorry for going a bit off-thread.

mark1978 · Post by **mark1978** » Mon 03 Mar, 2014 1:49 am

Phill_dvsn wrote: I'm wondering if this chap has any relevance to the story?John Harrison the wealthy businessman and benefactor of the town.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harri ... ds%29*John Harrison was the owner of a large tract of land lying at the top of Briggate, beyond the modern streets Upper and Lower Headrow. Sometime after 1626 Harrison and six other wealthy townsmen, combined to buy the manorial rights of Leeds from the Crown and bring it under the control of the Leeds Corporation. He was well respected throughout the city and often played a role in local politics.In 1624 he built a new Grammar School to replace the old school at the top of Lady Lane. Thoresby tells us that he; 'removed it from so inconvenient a Situation to a pleasant Field of his own'. The pleasant field was situated between what is now the Grand Theatre and North Street; the school had a school yard, and was surrounded by a wall* That'll be the 'Free School' on the first map then. Quote: So he owned all the land in question, possibly built the chapel, and was part owner of the manorial rights of Leeds. It would make sense that all boundaries were marked out at this time? The original workhouse was opened in 1638 so that's likely to have been him. The part that (apparently) had the bar stone in front didn't go up till 100 years later though.The Chantry, on the other hand, apparently went out of use around 1563 according to Mhoulden's post, which would explain why it's not on any of these maps. Except maybe the bemusing 1560 one?

mark1978 · Post by **mark1978** » Mon 03 Mar, 2014 1:52 am

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... p_1560.jpg

mark1978 · Post by **mark1978** » Mon 03 Mar, 2014 3:12 pm

Leodian wrote: The maps do show that Lady Lane is an old street and therefore possibly of significance to Leeds history. I notice that the 'A new and exact plan of the town of Leedes' shows Lady Lane having a bridge over Sheepscar Beck, so I wonder if it may be a bridge that part of which may remain but hidden that Phill filmed in his superb hidden Sheepscar Beck thread. Sorry for going a bit off-thread. Maybe somewhere around here? This view is just north of the Eastgate roundabout according to Phil's thread, which also states that the beck used to be known as "the Ganges of Lady Lane"!

Post by **chameleon** » Mon 03 Mar, 2014 4:27 pm

jim wrote: The West Bar is named and shown on the Godfrey Lower Briggate and Riverside areas reprint of the 1847 OS map. It would appear to have been more or less in front of the Boar Lane entrance to BHS. There was a Blue Plaque for this one Jim, affixed to the side of what would be (then) the Royal Exchange House. It was removed by the Civic Trust for safe keeping during the redevelopment. Not aware of its return yet.

uncle mick · Post by **uncle mick** » Mon 03 Mar, 2014 5:14 pm

I sent a message to Leeds Civic Trust on Facebook. The reply implies it is there but not a exact location16:01Leeds Civic TrustMichael It is set in the wall of the former West Yorkshire Bus Station on Vicar Lane.We have kept the site under observation, and indeed when the Council Plans Panel discussed the Hammerson’s application last week, this was mentioned by the councillors. Indeed it was mentioned again today in our meeting with Martin Farrington and Phil Crabtree and Phil Ward.ThanksJennaEDIT- Later messageLeeds Civic TrustNot sure exactly. Central panel we think. Further investigations will be require once a contractor is on site.

liits · Post by **liits** » Mon 03 Mar, 2014 6:08 pm

I’ve just had a thought. The picture of the North Bar stone posted by jogon shows a soil pipe, fall pipe to the left of the stone.On the subsequent pictures, the only building with any such pipe is the Lead Works. And that was demolished to make way for the bus station.What I’m getting at is this, if the chap is pointing around the stone in its new location, the bus station, the bus station does not have any pipework at the front or at the end under the “round” overhanging bit. Was it moved again, or is it somewhere else on the building.