Not where. What?

biofichompinc · Post by **biofichompinc** » Mon 12 Nov, 2012 6:07 pm

Came across this today following Phill's search for a boyhood flat cap shop. It's a picture from Leodis. Hope it appears after all this trouble. If not, here's the link to it....http://www.leodis.org/display.aspx?reso ... Y=FULLIt's easy enough to see where it is. The question is what was behind the photographer when he clicked the shutter. Up in the top left hand corner of the frame you can see the sign which declares 'Concert Room - Smoke Room'. So what establishment did this sign belong to? I have explored Leodis but cannot find any pictures of this side of Vicar Lane showing this mysterious - to me - venue. Hope it's not the General Eliot. I sometimes use that pub as a bus stop and it seems to be too near the junction with Kirkgate to be the place in question. If it is, apologies for wasting everyone's time.

String o' beads · Post by **String o' beads** » Mon 12 Nov, 2012 6:20 pm

No I don't think it's the General Elliot. I think the photographer was stood in front of what is now the Co-operative Bank or even the building next to it, further away from the GE.Both I believe are relatively new buildings so I don't know what was on the site in the 1930s.

Phill_dvsn · Post by **Phill_dvsn** » Mon 12 Nov, 2012 6:26 pm

I think your photographer stood here, the pub was were Nobles amusements ishttp://goo.gl/maps/HsDAQI'll look on the old map. Edit. It was the Greyhound public house.

Phill_dvsn · Post by **Phill_dvsn** » Mon 12 Nov, 2012 6:34 pm

Plenty of market pubs in those days.These two buildings at one time been the Crown and Red Lion. http://goo.gl/maps/8euz3

Phill_dvsn · Post by **Phill_dvsn** » Mon 12 Nov, 2012 6:38 pm

Opposite the old covered market, the first fever hospital (house of recovery) used 1802-1846. Afterwards became The Greyhound Hotel. This photo was taken in 1891, the view looks down Vicar Lane from the junction with Kirkgate. The shop on the left edge was adressed as 20 Kirkgate, business of Thomas Willey, clothier. Next numbers 1/2 Vicar Lane, the General Elliot public house, kept by Thomas Greenhow. Moving right, number 3 is the premises of William Ewing Kirkbridge, outfitter. The shop with the clock on the wall was 4, John Hirst Gillgrass, jeweller. then 5/6, business of bowman and Co, outfitters. The large building which is slightly set back is the Greyhound Hotel. This was previously the House of Recovery. On the right the old Kirkgate Market buildings can be seen. .................................The same view todayhttp://goo.gl/maps/ziSbz

James · Post by **James** » Mon 12 Nov, 2012 8:05 pm

According to information printed on the back of a Central Leeds 1908 (Ordnance Survey Map), the following businesses existed between the General Elliot and the Greyhound:1&2 General Elliot, landlord Alexander McQuat3 George Wroe, confectioner4 John Gillgrass, jeweller5 Roberts & Co., outfitters6 Kay & Co., boot and shoe dealers7 Walters & Co., hosiers8 Cowood & Co., provision dealers 9&10 Greyhound Hotel, landlord Samuel Pitt Smith

biofichompinc · Post by **biofichompinc** » Tue 13 Nov, 2012 9:17 am

Thanks for your input you guys, especially Phill for the identification of the establishment.I have to say that I was starting off on the wrong foot anyway. I had the impression that the parade of shops on the market front were between the central and Kirkgate entrances rather than the Ludgate Hill and central entrances.A separate photograph on Leodis provides evidence that the Greyhound Hotel was demolished in 1938. This photograph was taken in February of that year so we were lucky to see that sign at all.I wonder if anyone passed the time of day waiting for the Morley bus back in the thirties watching from the Greyhound, perhaps talking about the abdication crisis or German rearmament. Maybe Leeds losing 6-1 at home to Watford is not so bad after all.

Phill_dvsn · Post by **Phill_dvsn** » Tue 13 Nov, 2012 9:23 am

Yes that's the central entrance to the market you can just see on the right, rather than the corner entrance near Kirkgate. It's a great old photo, and as Jogon pointed out earlier the building is very black.