Snow! Am I the only one who has had enough?

[Uno Hoo]

I'm due in London tomorrow, and by a quirk of fate, also on Monday. If it snows again overnight it'll be interesting getting to the station - Bradford's awful for trains. If I drive to Forster Square, the most convenient train back from Leeds is ALWAYS on the New Pudsey line, whereas if I drive to New Pudsey (as most usual), well, you've guessed it, it's always a Forster Square train which leaves first.cnosni - if you see this in time - and I know I've not given you much - is the disruption from the Northallerton signal failure still messing up tomorrow's schedules? I think I'll go for the 0905 departure.

[dogduke]

Years ago after the snow had thawed you could see tons of rubbish on the pavement,cig packets etc that people had just dropped 'never'to be seen again.I very much doubt we are all that more litter aware.

[chameleon]

Uno Hoo wrote: I'm due in London tomorrow, and by a quirk of fate, also on Monday. If it snows again overnight it'll be interesting getting to the station - Bradford's awful for trains. If I drive to Forster Square, the most convenient train back from Leeds is ALWAYS on the New Pudsey line, whereas if I drive to New Pudsey (as most usual), well, you've guessed it, it's always a Forster Square train which leaves first.cnosni - if you see this in time - and I know I've not given you much - is the disruption from the Northallerton signal failure still messing up tomorrow's schedules? I think I'll go for the 0905 departure. (He's shovelled the front end clear, walking to the back now. looking for volunteers to help push)

[Uno Hoo]

(He's shovelled the front end clear, walking to the back now. looking for volunteers to help push) I'm usually in the quiet coach, so I'll be handy to help with the pushing.Actually, I have once pushed (along with others) an aircraft back from the gate rather than wait an hour for a tug. It was only a Shorts 360 though, not a 747. A train's a much taller order.

[Uno Hoo]

Hey, did you notice that I wrote about a Shorts 360 in my short 360th post?

[Bert]

Someone wrote to The Times today saying that, just like me, he'd been told to stop shovelling snow off his bit of the public footpath or he'd be open to litigation, and that when he checked with his local authority's legal people they confirmed he would be (while adding - possibly for fear of making themselves liable for giving bum advice - that it was a 'grey area'). I wonder if on the same basis I should also refrain from my habit of digging out two 25-metre long parallel tracks through the pack-ice on the hill outside my house so that folk on my estate can get their cars up it and out onto the main road to get to work; and of trudging down the main road (which needless to say the council haven't once bothered ploughing or gritting) with my shovel to help get wheel-spinning cars moving again?    Splendid age we live in. Makes me almost look forward to death.

[chameleon]

Bert wrote: Someone wrote to The Times today saying that, just like me, he'd been told to stop shovelling snow off his bit of the public footpath or he'd be open to litigation, and that when he checked with his local authority's legal people they confirmed he would be (while adding - possibly for fear of making themselves liable for giving bum advice - that it was a 'grey area'). I wonder if on the same basis I should also refrain from my habit of digging out two 25-metre long parallel tracks through the pack-ice on the hill outside my house so that folk on my estate can get their cars up it and out onto the main road to get to work; and of trudging down the main road (which needless to say the council haven't once bothered ploughing or gritting) with my shovel to help get wheel-spinning cars moving again?    Splendid age we live in. Makes me almost look forward to death. I still maintain that all things equal, there would be no case. Of course, that advice must also apply to the COuncils - thus if they inadequately clear a road and an accident is attributable to this, they must then be liable. I rather suspect the interpretation would then be different, do't you?I'd carry on - if we hadn't, we wouldn't be able to access the (partially and hardly adequately cleared) road outside - much of what had to be hacked of being the stuff deposited as the plow pssed by, left to freeze intoan 15" high kerb of ice!

[Si]

chameleon wrote: Bert wrote: Someone wrote to The Times today saying that, just like me, he'd been told to stop shovelling snow off his bit of the public footpath or he'd be open to litigation, and that when he checked with his local authority's legal people they confirmed he would be (while adding - possibly for fear of making themselves liable for giving bum advice - that it was a 'grey area'). I wonder if on the same basis I should also refrain from my habit of digging out two 25-metre long parallel tracks through the pack-ice on the hill outside my house so that folk on my estate can get their cars up it and out onto the main road to get to work; and of trudging down the main road (which needless to say the council haven't once bothered ploughing or gritting) with my shovel to help get wheel-spinning cars moving again?    Splendid age we live in. Makes me almost look forward to death. I still maintain that all things equal, there would be no case.     Doesn't stop "where there's blame, there's a claim" lawyers having a go though, does it Chameleon? This fear of litigation has made us all slaves to them. Common sense has taken a back seat to doing things by the (often badly thought through) manual. I've even seen a TV ad that says by making a claim, "You have nothing to lose, and perhaps a lot to gain."It's got nothing to do with gain - it's supposed to be compensation, for God's sake!!!     

[Cardiarms]

Bit of advice here:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8443745.stmIf if there is little chance of being sued it wouldn't stop someone trying and causing you all sorts of hassle.

[chameleon]

Cardiarms wrote: Bit of advice here:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8443745.stmIf if there is little chance of being sued it wouldn't stop someone trying and causing you all sorts of hassle. Very good Cardi, lad to see this bit seems to support my sentiments too-But, Paul Kitson, a partner with leading personal injury solicitors Russell Jones & Walker, explains that a claimant would have to show you had acted either maliciously or carelessly, and that such a case would often be tricky in practice. "It would be quite difficult to prove and quite difficult to proceed with a claim." This man is bound by law to clear the snow away On your own land, it is a different matter. You owe visitors a duty under the Occupiers Liability Act 1984 to take reasonable care to ensure that they are reasonably safe. So if you know someone is likely to walk up your garden path, like the milkman, and you know it's slippery, you must take reasonable steps to clear it and grit it if necessary. I think social conscience and consideration has to rule