My walk around Victorian Holbeck.

Phill_dvsn · Post by **Phill_dvsn** » Sun 24 Oct, 2010 6:31 pm

It's really only power craving jobsworths like security and over zealous special constables who try play the 'potential terroism tactic' They try use the power of a hi viz and uniform, and the threat of arrest to play the power, and intimidation game over you. Call there bluff and stand up for your rights, they crumble quicker than a sand castle. They are madly egotistic tho be warned, they would rather make a fool of themselves with outrageous statements than admit they don't know the laws and admit there wrong full stop. It's a sad state of affairs really.

Post by **chameleon** » Sun 24 Oct, 2010 7:27 pm

Phill_dvsn wrote: It's really only power craving jobsworths like security and over zealous special constables who try play the 'potential terroism tactic' They try use the power of a hi viz and uniform, and the threat of arrest to play the power, and intimidation game over you. Call there bluff and stand up for your rights, they crumble quicker than a sand castle. They are madly egotistic tho be warned, they would rather make a fool of themselves with outrageous statements than admit they don't know the laws and admit there wrong full stop. It's a sad state of affairs really. A quick email to Professional Standards or the Chief's office claiming harrassment and damages will see their wings clipped Phil

Brandy · Post by **Brandy** » Sun 24 Oct, 2010 7:52 pm

Isnt it also an offence to film/photograph the Police now too?

Leeds Hippo · Post by **Leeds Hippo** » Sun 24 Oct, 2010 8:31 pm

Brandy wrote: Isnt it also an offence to film/photograph the Police now too? People of the future may look at Leodis or the equivalent and ask the question "Why are there no pictures of police officers?" from our time. Message to people of the future "I'll probably be long gone when you read this - the reason there are no police offices from the early 21st century is that our lawmakers came up with some pretty petty laws"

keyholekate · Post by **keyholekate** » Sun 24 Oct, 2010 8:44 pm

Leeds Hippo wrote: Phill_dvsn wrote: Hi guys.I decided to document what little left there is of the old Victorian era still standing around Holbeck. The area is changing fast these days.I've included scenes from up on the railway viaduct, the Dickensian subways, forgotten ginnels and yards, and i took a look at all the nooks and crannies down in the Hol beck culvert.There's lots of archive shots, plenty of steam for the railway fans, and old maps.The story is in two parts.My walk around Victorian Holbeck can be seen herehttp://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=265602590&blogId=539964126I hope you enjoy (p.s can a S.L mod edit a B into my ''Holeck'' title pls) Fantastic photos - of one of the cradles of the industrial revolution. Still can't believe the craftmanship of some of those arches. Excellent historical record. I am always astounded by the quality and quantity of Phill_dvsn's collection of photo's and blog,why havent you got your own local history programme on Yorkshire TV?Or books /dvd's.It is an absolute pleasure to read your stuff.Thank you for sharing all this with us. . .and also to the people who go with you on these walks. Please can you tell me Phil. . .how did your interest in local history start?

Post by **chameleon** » Sun 24 Oct, 2010 8:52 pm

Brandy wrote: Isnt it also an offence to film/photograph the Police now too? They can ask you not to just like anyone else - if they fear you may prejudice their operation they can insist but need to be open to scrutiny later but then sometimes, pictures can be useful after the event.

dervish99 · Post by **dervish99** » Mon 25 Oct, 2010 1:25 pm

Cardiarms wrote: I've often been poking around the back of somewhere and thought it might look a bit wrong. A collegue of mine was questiones by the police whilst in Houston Texas, simply because he was walking between shopping Malls (he cannot drive) (nor is he a lazy american)

PC - Dublin · Post by **PC - Dublin** » Wed 29 Dec, 2010 3:54 pm

One thing that has fascinated me Phill and it concerns the Holbeck river itself. The flows in the river seem low yet the river powered the mills etc. Is there a contradiction there or have I missed out on something?PC

The Parksider · Post by **The Parksider** » Wed 29 Dec, 2010 8:53 pm

PC - Dublin wrote: One thing that has fascinated me Phill and it concerns the Holbeck river itself. The flows in the river seem low yet the river powered the mills etc. Is there a contradiction there or have I missed out on something?PC Fascinating question!!! The Hol Beck isn't that strong a beck and for a long way meanders along the flat. I wonder wether it did power the mills??? Jim's excellent water power walks out at Farnley are at Mills possibly older than holbeck where some mills may have ben built as steam/coal powered.Anyway let's see what the experts say????

The Parksider · Post by **The Parksider** » Wed 29 Dec, 2010 9:00 pm

PC - Dublin wrote: One thing that has fascinated me Phill and it concerns the Holbeck river itself. The flows in the river seem low yet the river powered the mills etc. Is there a contradiction there or have I missed out on something?PC Just opened the 1906 map and the "Hol" flows through the valley with no sign of any mills (mines yes) then it winds its way alongside Holbeck and Low Hall Mills but no sign of any goit or mill race. Then it hits water lane and goes to the Aire (as it does today) with no sign of any mills (foundries yes).So I assume that it didn't power any Mills - "assume" is a good word when someone may just pounce out and prove you wrong.Great work from Phil as always BTW and a big thanks from me to our great moderators on the board.......