Superb 1891 Hunslet brickyard/quarry photos

[The Parksider]

Si wrote: Here's Ainsty Terrace, Burmantofts...     Sorry Si - You did post Ainsty terrace, however it has two gaps in the row when you look at all the leodis pics), and doesn't match the terrace in GT's pic darn it....If the hole isn't in Hunslet it could be in Manchester!!!!

[grumpytramp]

The Parksider wrote: Go on Leodis and look up Boyles Quarry, there you may be able to match the windows, lintels and chimneys of Ainstey Terrace, Burmantofts which this picture could be.It looks more like Burmantofts than Hunslet. Boyles Quarry supplied the firecaly for Burmantofts Brickworks. ParkieExcellent work .......... the photos are uncannily alike, but it isn't the same place!Look closely at the Gould and Stevenson's picture, the differences I notice that differ to the Boyles pictures are:1. Approximately the same age yet the Gould and Stevenson's quarry is significantly deeper (perhaps using the ranging rod as a guide, another 20 feet deeper)2. The stratigraphy though similar is definately not alike3. If you look closely the Gould and Stevenson's quarry is bound at the top with a stone built wall and Boyles used a wooden fence4. The smaller terrace with the step in the Gould and Stevenson's has three chimneys and three upstairs windows while the Boyles also has three chimneys but six upstairs windows5. The brick lined square (ish) shaft in the Boyles photograph (taken according to Leodis on 11/08/1943) is clearly complete and at or very near to original ground level (judging by the grass and glimpse of wooden fence in the RHS corner). In the Gould and Stevenson's quarry the shaft is broken into at the surfaceI am confident that the description of the original three photos of Gould and Stevenson's workings are correct (date and location). Not least as the source of the photographs and descriptions are the British Geological Survey's own archive of photographs.    

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Now there may be a good reason for the similarity between the Boyles and Gould and Stevenson's photographs.As I have had a root about I have come across a catalogue of Papers, pictures etc in the Publications of the Thoresby Society - Volume IV, Miscellanea (1895) which lists under pictures: Quote: Two photographs, showing strata in Brickyard [Boyle] " "                 " "     " "         [Gould and Stevenson] " "                 " "     " "         [Leeds Patent Brick Co.] The Leeds Patent Brick Company operated a brickworks, I think, between Dolly Lane and Roseville Road. behind Jimmys.I suspect that the BGS and Leodis images are likely to be copies of the same suite of photographs?

[The Parksider]

grumpytramp wrote: The Parksider wrote: Go on Leodis and look up Boyles Quarry, there you may be able to match the windows, lintels and chimneys of Ainstey Terrace, Burmantofts which this picture could be.It looks more like Burmantofts than Hunslet. Boyles Quarry supplied the firecaly for Burmantofts Brickworks. ParkieExcellent work .......... the photos are uncannily alike, but it isn't the same place!Look closely at the Gould and Stevenson's picture, the differences I notice that differ to the Boyles pictures are:1. Approximately the same age yet the Gould and Stevenson's quarry is significantly deeper (perhaps using the ranging rod as a guide, another 20 feet deeper)2. The stratigraphy though similar is definately not alike3. If you look closely the Gould and Stevenson's quarry is bound at the top with a stone built wall and Boyles used a wooden fence4. The smaller terrace with the step in the Gould and Stevenson's has three chimneys and three upstairs windows while the Boyles also has three chimneys but siz upstairs windows5. The brick lined square (ish) shaft in the Boyles photograph (taken according to Leodis on 11/08/1943) is clearly complete and at or very near to original ground level (judging by the grass and glimpse of wooden fence in the RHS corner). In the Gould and Stevenson's quarry the shaft is broken into at the surfaceI am confident that the description of the original three photos of Gould and Stevenson's workings are correct (date and location). Not least as the source of the photographs and descriptions are the British Geological Survey's own archive of photographs. Lovely to hear from you sir!Boyles seemed to be as near as we could get for any location. I am suprised you stand by a Hunslet location, when similar to analysis of Boyle's quarry, neither the Jack Lane or Belle Isle Road locations display a terrace similar to the one in the picture.Si semingly blew my Hunslet Carr suggestion out of the water by showing Braithwaite Row which perched on top of the Hunslet Carr Brickworks as blind backs, although there was so much level land in the foreground the piccy may have been well after the clay pit was filled in. It was marked as disused in 1906.

[The Parksider]

grumpytramp wrote: I suspect that the BGS and Leodis images are likely to be copies of the same suite of photographs? Just in case you "leave the building" I have had another look at Jack Lane and Hillidge Road on Godfrey. The north tip of the pit/quarry backs onto Jack Lane itself where there's a long run of terrace. So I'm off to leodis to see if they don't look like the piccy in question.........

[grumpytramp]

Parkie, I think I have the answer.I have been rooting around in the old directories, but drew a complete blank Gould and Stevenson. However in the 1888 Kelly's directory of Leeds, if you look up Hillidge Road, you find listed after Hillidge Place, Hunslet: Quote: Longley Bros, builders and brick manufacturersGould, Isaac, Income tax collector Now interstingly by the time the White's Directory of Leeds and the Clothing District is published in 1894 we now have in Hillidge Road: Quote: ................ Here is Moor Road ..............Gould Isaac, brick maker4 Leverton William, goods factorHillidge PlaceAllision Zebedee, metal workerGould Isaac, income tax collector and elsewhere in the same directory Quote: Gould Isaac, brick maker, builder and contractor, Hillidge Road; h 1 Hillidge Place Is this Mr Gould who lives next door to his recently acquired brickpit on Hillidge Road the Gould of Gould and Stevenson?

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Extract from Kellys [1888]

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Extract #1 from White's [1894]

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Extract from Whites #2 [1894]