Milgarth police station area.

[Si]

Hi Lee,Having overlain the old map on your bird's-eye view, the horizontal road is, as you say, Back George Street, but the vertical one would appear to be Cross Union Street. The police station marked on the map doesn't look as deep left to right as seen on your pic. Millgarth Place passed between the station and the Baths. Could the footings be the front of the police station and the front of the baths? The "kink" in the left vertical red line would suggest this, as it's exactly like the map of the Baths.Ebeneezer Street was where that line between the cars is at the left, running parallel above Back George Street.I remember parking on there years ago, and apart from the cobbles, it was all uneven, compressed demolition rubble - mind yer sump! According to the map, there were two other pubs in this area. One on the corner of Ebeneezer Street and Harewood Street, and the other halfway along the north side of Union Street. Don't know what they were called. It always comes back to pubs, doesn't it?!        

[LS1]

Yeah, just to highlight that there are so few pubs arouund!!!perhaps Drapesy can help out on this. In terms of the Old Milgarth, it must have been pretty small if it took up half of the red area I have marked out. Cant get an understanding of the size though from the photo's I've seen.

[Si]

Yes, Lee, the map shows the nick as being half the size of your red box. The "kinked" line I mentioned is actually the back of the baths, as it looks like they fronted onto Cross Union Street, going by their plan. Millgarth Place was relatively wide, with the back of the station across from the baths. In front of the baths was an empty space, a long, thin building, and an unnamed street running north/south across the end of Ebenezer Street. You can see the "ghost" of this street on your aerial photo, too. As an aside, Nelson Street, just to the north of Union Street, looks very insignificant and narrow on this map, considering it became the grand boulevard of Eastgate! I do enjoy comparing old photos and maps with what's there now.Note to self - "Must get out more..."            

[Si]

Just compared the area with the big-scale 1847 map, and there are considerable differences. Of course, the police station is not yet built, and The Fleece Inn occupies it's site. The baths also aren't there, and Ebenezer Street runs all the way down to Mill Garth Street. The pub on it's western end is The Harewood Arms, but the other pub on Union Street is not marked. Neither is the Market Tavern. There are no north/south running streets, just Nelson Street, Union Street, Ebenezer Street, Back George's Street and George's Street, all running east/west. Note slightly different names.Buildings of note are Ebenezer Chapel and George's Street School.    

[Samson]

Great to see all the postsJust to help, the picure from1970-2 was from a friend on Flikr and I asked for a copy as I thought my car was on the picture. I left Leeds to go to college on Tyneside in 1971, so i think the picture must date from around this time, otherwise I would not have asked for a copy of it.I remember ( I was a trainee Weights and Measures Inspector at the time) running into Millgarth to report that a fellow inspector was being held by force in Leeds market ( so Millgarth was there then)What I find difficult is that my memory of where I worked in Leeds is so shot.I am pleased to hear that the old Weights and measures building is still there. That is unbelievable considering all the development and I will have to try and drive down before it goes under the bulldozer and take some photos. If anyone is in the area and the building is still there - please post a photo up - as I thought it long gone. The place has some great memories!

[Si]

Samson wrote: Great to see all the postsJust to help, the picure from1970-2 was from a friend on Flikr and I asked for a copy as I thought my car was on the picture. I left Leeds to go to college on Tyneside in 1971, so i think the picture must date from around this time, otherwise I would not have asked for a copy of it. Interesting line-up of cars on the left of your photo, Samson.Right to left, it looks like: blue Morris Minor, unknown, white Mini, pale blue Morris Minor, red Renault 4, black Ford Anglia, white Vauxhall Viva and an orange Lotus Europa.Which was yours?!!        

[cnosni]

Si wrote: Samson wrote: Great to see all the postsJust to help, the picure from1970-2 was from a friend on Flikr and I asked for a copy as I thought my car was on the picture. I left Leeds to go to college on Tyneside in 1971, so i think the picture must date from around this time, otherwise I would not have asked for a copy of it. Interesting line-up of cars on the left of your photo, Samson.Right to left, it looks like: blue Morris Minor, unknown, white Mini, pale blue Morris Minor, red Renault 4, black Ford Anglia, white Vauxhall Viva and an orange Lotus Europa.Which was yours?!!         The white one (next to the europa)looks like a mark 1 escort

[Samson]

I thought mine was there. In fact I had a 1964 Hillman Minx and it was not parked in the street in the picture. If i remember rightly I used to park it round the back next to the rabbit skin man's store.I hope someone can confirm with a photo that the Weights and measures building is still there. (Thanks if you can)When I worked there 1969 to 1971 it was a bit like 'Life on Mars' I suppose. One inspector had a VW Beetle another an Austin 1300 (Lord help us!!) my mate an old Austin A40 and the promoted inspector a Ford Cortina!! Each Inspector had an area in Leeds that was covered every year. All shop scales were checked, every warehouse, every pub and every club. Garages were also checked and at the time I worked there a lot of self service were opening and we had to check the pumps. 1 gallon, 3 gallon and 5 gallon seems to ring a bell and the petrol was poured back into the tanks from the master containers that we used. All this was recorded.The day my friend decided to pour a 5 gallon drum of petrol back into the main 10,000 gallon tank with a lit fag in his mouth encouraged me to break the 100 metre sprint record!!!(Yes he really did, I was on the main road before i stopped running)I also remember going into pubs and checking that the optics were working properly, that hand pulled pints were always served in a stamped pint glass and also checking all the traders in the market.I say those were the days with a purpose as I do not know if measures are checked at all these days?? It was a good service to the people of Leeds but Ithink it has gone.What about short pints in pubs!! (another thread I suppose!)

[Ruffarse]

Samson wrote: I thought mine was there. In fact I had a 1964 Hillman Minx and it was not parked in the street in the picture. If i remember rightly I used to park it round the back next to the rabbit skin man's store.I hope someone can confirm with a photo that the Weights and measures building is still there. (Thanks if you can)When I worked there 1969 to 1971 it was a bit like 'Life on Mars' I suppose. One inspector had a VW Beetle another an Austin 1300 (Lord help us!!) my mate an old Austin A40 and the promoted inspector a Ford Cortina!! Each Inspector had an area in Leeds that was covered every year. All shop scales were checked, every warehouse, every pub and every club. Garages were also checked and at the time I worked there a lot of self service were opening and we had to check the pumps. 1 gallon, 3 gallon and 5 gallon seems to ring a bell and the petrol was poured back into the tanks from the master containers that we used. All this was recorded.The day my friend decided to pour a 5 gallon drum of petrol back into the main 10,000 gallon tank with a lit fag in his mouth encouraged me to break the 100 metre sprint record!!!(Yes he really did, I was on the main road before i stopped running)I also remember going into pubs and checking that the optics were working properly, that hand pulled pints were always served in a stamped pint glass and also checking all the traders in the market.I say those were the days with a purpose as I do not know if measures are checked at all these days?? It was a good service to the people of Leeds but Ithink it has gone.What about short pints in pubs!! (another thread I suppose!)

[Ruffarse]

That explains everything then.