Family History in Leeds

Kazroz · Post by **Kazroz** » Wed 13 Jul, 2011 7:08 pm

Hi CardiarmsYes I am!!

Post by **cnosni** » Wed 13 Jul, 2011 10:51 pm

Kazroz wrote: HiIve been doing the family history off and on for a few years. from my mums and dads side Thorntons/Farrellys I can trace their history in Leeds back to early 1800s. Farrellys arrived in Leeds from Ireland about 1840. So before that am struggling to know which direction now is best and how do I go about finding out. My grandfather Farrelly was ilegitimate and born in 1909. His mother Maud Lucy Farrelly was a tailoress. She lived on Fish Street so I can imagine poverty playing a huge factor. Could Secret Leeds help with history of Fish Street??Have you any advice on how to track down pre 1840 the irish bit???Cheers for any help , advice that is offerred Hi KazI have a similar problem too as i have Irish coming into my tree at various stages between 1855 and 1879.Unfortunately the answer will not lie in Leeds but in Ireland.There are some good online sites for Ireland,but you need to be able to identify where in Ireland they came from,otherwise you are never even going to get near.Please let us know what you have with regards Maud Lucy's parents and we will see if we can uncover some clues.

Kazroz · Post by **Kazroz** » Wed 13 Jul, 2011 11:16 pm

Hi CsnosiI have good bkg on Maud Lucy. Father William Farrelly mother Ann(nee Leckenby)Williams father called Thomas and mother Maria Farrelly these are the ones who came from Dublin to Leeds older kids born in Ireland,last one in 1847. First Leeds child 1850.Ann Leckenby parents lived in Golden Cock yard which I think was round the corner from Fish Street.Is that right?? Maud Lucy born 1889 in Fish Street. I lack experience on where to start researching irish records but would also like to know more about residents of fish street rather than just workers on Fish Street

Kazroz · Post by **Kazroz** » Wed 13 Jul, 2011 11:19 pm

CnosniSorry hope spelling of your nickname right this time. And also a Big Thankyou for your response-Kaz

liits · Post by **liits** » Thu 14 Jul, 2011 11:45 am

Here’s the [slightly enhanced] 1850 Town plan overlaid on the 2009 Google Earth shot. The footprint of the area is still much the same. Fish Street has had a slight re-alignment and Cheapside changed to King Edward Street when the area was rebuilt and the street was driven through to connect with Vicar Lane. As ever, click on the red X to see the picture.

Post by **cnosni** » Thu 14 Jul, 2011 11:53 am

Kazroz wrote: Hi CsnosiI have good bkg on Maud Lucy. Father William Farrelly mother Ann(nee Leckenby)Williams father called Thomas and mother Maria Farrelly these are the ones who came from Dublin to Leeds older kids born in Ireland,last one in 1847. First Leeds child 1850.Ann Leckenby parents lived in Golden Cock yard which I think was round the corner from Fish Street.Is that right?? Maud Lucy born 1889 in Fish Street. I lack experience on where to start researching irish records but would also like to know more about residents of fish street rather than just workers on Fish Street Hello KazrozHave just had a look at the 1851 census,is your Thomas and Maria the ones in Hunslet aged 28,living on Senior Lane with a son Thomas?If so then i assume that they are the Thomas and Maria (recorded as Farley)in the 1861 census in FarnleyFrom what i can see Maria appears to have been widowed and has married a James Rushworth in 1869,and is in the 1871 census living in Farnley with new husband and with son Thomas and other Farrelly children William (your William i assume)Arthur P,Samuel,Harriet and Herbert.Have had a look at the following sitehttp://www.irishgenealogy.ie/index.htmlHave not been able to find a marriage of a Thomas Farrelly to a Maria on the above site,though you could find out Maria's maiden name by ordeing the birth certificate of Thomas 1850.I did however find what i believe to be the baptism of their oldest son EdwardName EDWARD FARRELLY Date of Birth N/R N/R N/R Address N/R Father THOMAS FARRELLY Mother MARIA Further details in the recordSponsor 1 MARGARET GOSTLING About the recordBook Number Page Entry Number Record_Identifier 12 389 B DU-RC-BA-201896 Unfortunately there is no date or place of birth,nor record of mothers maiden name.Im afraid that the amount of info for Ireland at this period is quite limited,there is another site which is pay perview,but as the cost is 5 euros a go,without any guarantee the result thy have founf is yours,is a bit steep.Might have to wait a few years,perhaps Ancestry will get stuck into Irish PR,like they have with the West Yorkshire PR from the West Yorks archives.

liits · Post by **liits** » Thu 14 Jul, 2011 11:54 am

....also, looking at the 1891 census, as the listing for Golden Cock Yard changes immediately to Fish Street and the Leckenby’s are listed directly before the Farrally’s, I wonder if they were living in one of the buildings forming the entrance from Fish Street to Golden Cock Yard [if that makes sense]?

Leodian · Post by **Leodian** » Thu 14 Jul, 2011 3:25 pm

The 1850 town plan that you overlaid on the Google Earth shot is fascinating Liits. The General Elliott public house is still here but not the Golden Cock Inn (I wonder when that closed?). About opposite Fish Street (where Littlewoods used to be) there is something that may state 'Site of old prison' but I cannot definitely work out what it does say so it may not be that. If it does I wonder when there was a prison there?

liits · Post by **liits** » Thu 14 Jul, 2011 5:03 pm

It does indeed say “Site of the Old Prison”.As to the Golden Cock, it sure is on the picture [re-posted showing the pub]. Leodis has a 1901 picture of the Golden Cock. http://www.leodis.net/display.aspx?reso ... LAY=FULLBy this time [1901] the pub had expanded into the next door premises. Contrary to one of the comments that accompanies the photo, the premises were never rebuilt. A new facia was added some time after Ind Coope took over the lease of the premises in October 1931, this saw major building works and this is possibly when the premises expanded [slightly] along Kitkgate towards Briggate but it seems it never underwent a complete demolition and rebuild. Having had a look at the rear of the building in recent months, I wouldn’t imagine that much remains of any original building as it looks like it’s been comprehensively tinkered about with.

Leodian · Post by **Leodian** » Thu 14 Jul, 2011 7:57 pm

Thanks for your response Liits, which is appreciated. In your response you state (in relation to the photo in Leodis) "Contrary to one of the comments that accompanies the photo, the premises were never rebuilt". I assume that refers to the Leodis comment in which it states "Yes this building was a pub right up to early 1980's it was called "The Precint" for the last few years of its serving life. In the 1960'S it was still called "The Golden Cock"...". If there was a pub there I have no recollection at all and I would think I would remember one in at least the 1980's. If there was one at that time then my memory recollection is even worse than I thought!