Pine Apple Inn, Quarry Hill

[Leodian]

liits wrote: A bit late I know, but... here’s an attempt at overlaying the 1847 map onto Google Earth. It’s not the best attempt ever [I’ve been celebrating Yorkshire Day early]. It was done by overlaying the 1906 map then overlaying the 1847 map onto that, then removing the 1906 map. Hey presto! That is excellent. And as a passing comment I did not know that the tops of the stalls in the outside market were so colourful.

[drapesy]

Si wrote: As an aside, I was wondering what the strange half-moon shape above the bloke in the previous picture was - perhaps a pub sign?Then I came across this picture of Atack Place, which is behind the derelict buildings in the previous picture. Look at the roof on the right - weird innit?         Its in exactly the same position on both photos - its not an actual feature but some blemish on the negatives or prints.

[cnosni]

chemimike wrote: There seems to have been some renumbering, but before 1870. The 1834 does list the Hop ole at no 24. However the 1872 directory (which lists idividual streets) gives it as no 51 ands the 1893 Kellys gives it as no 47, both on the north side of the street. Both would agree with Si's conclusions . I think numbering was a bit rough & ready about then. Drapesy is the man when it comes to street numbering.Without going into too much detail his thesis is that the numbering system was pretty much adhoc until aboutthe very late 19th century.See skulls thread

[drapesy]

cnosni wrote: chemimike wrote: There seems to have been some renumbering, but before 1870. The 1834 does list the Hop ole at no 24. However the 1872 directory (which lists idividual streets) gives it as no 51 ands the 1893 Kellys gives it as no 47, both on the north side of the street. Both would agree with Si's conclusions . I think numbering was a bit rough & ready about then. Drapesy is the man when it comes to street numbering.Without going into too much detail his thesis is that the numbering system was pretty much adhoc until aboutthe very late 19th century.See skulls thread Thats true - see also the Inns and pubs of Kirkgate thread where it's possible to tie in old numbers to present locations - rather than the quarry Hill area where everything is long gone. One quirk that was sometimes employed, believe it or not ,was 'half - numbers'. If a building was divided up, or perhaps a new building placed between two existing properties , say 15 and 16, the new address would be referred to as 15 ½ rather than 15a as we would use nowadays. I've even seen ¾ used in this system!    

[The Parksider]

tilly wrote: Hi Si i will not say anything about the Pine Apple Inn that was on Pottery Fields Hunslet. We had a thread and picture on that about 18 months ago.My dad was born in Pottery Fields near the "Union Inn" and his dad used to get drunk in the "cabbage Inn".I remember my family telling me that around the 1930's an orange was considered an exotic and rare treat.How on earth "Pineapple" was ever thought of as a pub name at the turn of the century I dunno - anyone???

[Cardiarms]

There is, or was, a pineapple in Newcastle. A pineapple on the gatepost was a sign that a sailor was home from abroad from the 1700's.

[liits]

With regard to the name “Pine Apple”.... of the four Leeds pubs with that name [77 Accommodation Road, 167-169 Park Lane, 4 Ivory Street, and the one on High Street, Quarry Hill] only the one on Ivory Street is ever listed as the Pineapple [all one word]. The others are always listed with the name as two separate words. I wonder why?Happy Yorkshire Day!

[drapesy]

Cardiarms wrote: There is, or was, a pineapple in Newcastle. A pineapple on the gatepost was a sign that a sailor was home from abroad from the 1700's. There's also quite a well known old pub near Heath Common in Wakefield called the Pineapple, and there are others around the country. Thanks for that info Cardiarms - I never knew that - it certainly makes sense as to why it would be adopted as a pub name.Liits - as for Pine Apple as opposed to Pineapple. Spelling was a lot less formalised in years gone by - it wasn't until the Oxford English Dictionary was published (starting c 1860) that we gained 'official' spellings (they're not actually official -simply customary - but that's another story). I suspect that you will find that originally "Pine apple" or "Pine-apple" was the favoured spelling and was gradually replaced by "Pineapple" over time to become the 'correct' spelling we know today. Further to this I bet that you'll find that the pub that was listed as the "Pineapple" was the last to survive and so took up the modern spelling - as the one in Wakefield has.

[The Parksider]

Cardiarms wrote: There is, or was, a pineapple in Newcastle. A pineapple on the gatepost was a sign that a sailor was home from abroad from the 1700's. A kind of "hello sailor" symbol??Should the New Penny have become the pineapple.Looked it up and pine cones used to be called pine apples.The "welcome home" thing explains it well for me Mr. C.

[Si]

"Bonjour matelot!"Here is a very sorry-looking Pineapple on Accommodation Road, 1942...