Leeds lost pubs

[Si]

DEE wrote: Thanks for the info and maps and photos.It definitely says in the Jem Mace book that his pub was at Cross Cemetery St. I thought maybe the author had possibly summised this but apperently he is a specialist in 19th century history so I cant imagine him getting it wrong. I thought about e mailing him to ask him the name of the pub but there are no contact details for him in his book. Jem also had connections with the circus owner Pablo Fanque as he did exhibition boxing etc in his circus, the coincidence is that Pablo is buried in Woodhouse cemetery just a short distance from Cross Cemetery St. I only found out about Pablo's grave when I saw a photo of it on Secret Leeds. Hi Dee. Use the search facility to find a thread on here called "For The Benefit of Mr Kite, Here Lies Pablo Fanque."

[tilly]

dogduke wrote: Anyone taking bets on Jim and Blakey turning outto be related to each other ? *WOW*Does that mean Jim and Blakey could be brother and sister? LOL

[liits]

drapesy wrote: I know from experience that finding old 'pubs' can sometimes be very difficult .There's no problem with long established 'hotels' or 'inns' or 'taverns' that were 'fully licenced' - but 'beerhouses' are a different matter.To us now they'reall just 'pubs' but in years gone by there was a big difference. even now you'll sometimes see a sign saying 'fully licenced' outside a pub - which to us is pretty meaningless - but wasn't always. Beerhouses couldn't sell wine and spirits, and there were other limitations on them - and ,unlike fully licenced premises,they tended to come and go at an alarming rate and were'nt usually shown on maps or named in directories.     Drapsey’s right about the Beer House lark. Some did make it to full licensed status [for example, the Adelphi on Cavendish Street, Burley. A beer house until the 1930’s when it gained “Full On” status] but many started disappearing just before WW2. The Compensation Commission which was a result of the 1902 Licensing act and the 1910 Licensing [Consolidation] Act put paid to many of them.Beer house license, like “Full On [and also Full Off]” licenses came up for review every three years at the Brewster Sessions. Because of the two aforementioned Acts, this gave the licensing justices the opportunity to evaluate the “Need” for a licensed premise. This moral high ground resulted in many beer houses and pubs being closed down, the licensees, owners and leases receiving compensation from the compensation commission.Beer houses are generally listed [in trade directories] as Beer Retailers. Unlike the listings for Public Houses, the name or “Sign” of the premises is not generally given. This make differentiating things such as licensed grocers from beer houses quite difficult. Some beer houses did have an adjunct to their license allowing them to sell wines and spirits. The criteria for this was based purely on the physical attributes of the building itself. A premises with two separate rooms would be considered for these extra licensable activities but a one-room operation would not. This is the origin of the “Tap Room”, generally a bar with just [beer] taps and where spirits were not sold.Thankfully, the element of “Need” had been removed from the 2003 Act and it’s now sort of carved in stone that “Need” cannot be used in licensing panel considerations. Sadly, this came too late for thousands of pubs. Had it been in place when the Licensing Justices [the butcher, the baker and half-cut ex Colonel] wouldn’t have been able to stuff so many pubs. The up side is that poxy local residents / resident’s organisations can’t bring it up either!Oh, and Reservoir Street did have a licensed grocer and beer retailer just after the turn of the century, at No. 16, only a few doors from the junction with Cross Cemetery Street.

[stutterdog]

Does anyone know of a pub thats no longer there at the junction of Raynville Rd and Bridge Rd, Kirkstall? A friend of mine assures me there was a pub there but can't remember it's name.

[BLAKEY]

stutterdog wrote: Does anyone know of a pub thats no longer there at the junction of Raynville Rd and Bridge Rd, Kirkstall? A friend of mine assures me there was a pub there but can't remember it's name. Hello again stutterdog - I'm a bit puzzled here - surely there is no junction between Raynville Road and Bridge Road is there ??

[stutterdog]

BLAKEY wrote: stutterdog wrote: Does anyone know of a pub thats no longer there at the junction of Raynville Rd and Bridge Rd, Kirkstall? A friend of mine assures me there was a pub there but can't remember it's name. Hello again stutterdog - I'm a bit puzzled here - surely there is no junction between Raynville Road and Bridge Road is there ?? Hi Blakey,Your right of course, I think my friend meant the junction of Broad Lane and Bridge Rd,somewhere near the Whitbread Brwery which was opposite?

[liits]

Wouldn't be the Station Inn, would it? Closed about 1940.

[BLAKEY]

liits wrote: Wouldn't be the Station Inn, would it? Closed about 1940. Top marks liits !!Two excellent pictures on LEODIS (1908 and 1912) show the Station Inn clearly, and the second one also shows the present Bridge Inn so its easy to place the Station.By way of a return favour - 'owt yer want to know about Swiss Cottage ?? LOL LOL

[stutterdog]

liits wrote: Wouldn't be the Station Inn, would it? Closed about 1940. Thanks liits, dont know if this is the right pub or not as this friend says he remembers this pub being there. He was born after 1940 and you say it was demolished in 1940?

[liits]

Something of a problem, it wasn’t demolished, the building still survives and is an environmental project / company thing. I can’t think what it could have been.Here’s an overlay of the 1908 map onto Google Earth with Kirkstall Lites, or is it Lights, added to it.A = Station InnB = Bridge InnC = Star & GarterD = ShadesE = Ye Old Abbey InnF = Royal SoverignG = Kirkstall Lites