Leeds lost pubs

jim · Post by **jim** » Tue 20 Jul, 2010 2:53 pm

Hi Blakey,I did indeed go to Ben Rhydding School. Can't remember which year I started, but as I was born in 1941 ( in Shipley, but moved to Ben Rhydding in 1942 ) I would not be your exact contemporary. We lived at the Wheatley Lane end of Valley Drive. I'm not certain, but I believe that the house numbering has been reversed since those days, I seem to recall that it started from Wheatley Lane then, but I think it numbers from the other end these days.From certain things you have said we may have other "ships that pass in the night" near-connections, but I can't reveal them here for fear of compromising my air of mystery!

DEE · Post by **DEE** » Tue 20 Jul, 2010 5:47 pm

Thanks for that Jim, its a good testament to Jem to know that the Jem Mace rhyming slang lasted into the 1940's in Northern England, thirty years after his death.

BLAKEY · Post by **BLAKEY** » Tue 20 Jul, 2010 6:28 pm

jim wrote: We lived at the Wheatley Lane end of Valley Drive. I'm not certain, but I believe that the house numbering has been reversed since those days, I seem to recall that it started from Wheatley Lane then, but I think it numbers from the other end these days.From certain things you have said we may have other "ships that pass in the night" near-connections, but I can't reveal them here for fear of compromising my air of mystery! Well well Jim - in September 1946 I was moved with my mates for our last year until July 1947 to a Church Hall just through the gates of Ben Rhydding Drive.I can clearly remember all the teachers and I'm almost sure you will have been taught by most if not all of them.Standard 1 Mts. Beanlands and Mrs. Craggs 2 Miss Irving 3 Miss Shackleton 4 Mrs. Chapman 5 Mr. Jackman (only one leg from War wounds)Church 6 Mr. Gilbert PyrahMust respect your air of mystery of course - but I'm most eager to hear of your "ships in the night" items LOL LOL

dogduke · Post by **dogduke** » Tue 20 Jul, 2010 7:21 pm

Anyone taking bets on Jim and Blakey turning outto be related to each other ?

Hats Off · Post by **Hats Off** » Tue 20 Jul, 2010 8:23 pm

chemimike wrote: It looks like cross cemetery st is now under the engineering dept. of the university. There is no mention of a pub in the street in directories in 1853, 1872 or 1893. the map is 1908. Looks like there was a pub on Reservoir Street called The Marquis. Cross Cemetery Street joined onto Reservoir Street so maybe this is the pub ? I found the info on the 1881 census :http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/ ... nsus.aspIf you click on the corner of the page where it says Next Household a couple of times it takes you onto Cross Cemetery Street and you can see that there was no pub there in 1881, but that does not mean there was no pub before !Regards. p.sClick on census, then 1881 British census, then in first name put Ellen and in Last name put in Riding, birthplace country is England, birth year 1826 with a birth year range of two years.

chemimike · Post by **chemimike** » Tue 20 Jul, 2010 8:42 pm

I had thought that the pub might have been officially at one time in Reservoir st, but , in the 1872 directory, the Marquis is at no 1 reservoir st. This would presumably have been at one end of reservoir st, whjicch wouldn't fit with the position of cross cemetery si

Cardiarms · Post by **Cardiarms** » Tue 20 Jul, 2010 8:42 pm

This picture suggests that the Marquis was on the corner of Woodhouse Lane and Reservoir Street.http://www.leodis.net/display.aspx?reso ... AY=FULLThe Eldon used to be called the Cemetery. Opposite cemetery street.

Hats Off · Post by **Hats Off** » Tue 20 Jul, 2010 9:36 pm

chemimike wrote: I had thought that the pub might have been officially at one time in Reservoir st, but , in the 1872 directory, the Marquis is at no 1 reservoir st. This would presumably have been at one end of reservoir st, whjicch wouldn't fit with the position of cross cemetery si Maybe he didn't live in the pub that he was in charge of ! It could be that he lived at Cross Cemetery Street and had a short walk to his work. Would this have happened in the 1860's ?Regards.

drapesy · Post by **drapesy** » Tue 20 Jul, 2010 10:01 pm

I know from experience that finding old 'pubs' can sometimes be very difficult .There's no problem with long established 'hotels' or 'inns' or 'taverns' that were 'fully licenced' - but 'beerhouses' are a different matter.To us now they'reall just 'pubs' but in years gone by there was a big difference. even now you'll sometimes see a sign saying 'fully licenced' outside a pub - which to us is pretty meaningless - but wasn't always. Beerhouses couldn't sell wine and spirits, and there were other limitations on them - and ,unlike fully licenced premises,they tended to come and go at an alarming rate and were'nt usually shown on maps or named in directories.

DEE · Post by **DEE** » Wed 21 Jul, 2010 2:11 am

Thanks for the info and maps and photos.It definitely says in the Jem Mace book that his pub was at Cross Cemetery St. I thought maybe the author had possibly summised this but apperently he is a specialist in 19th century history so I cant imagine him getting it wrong. I thought about e mailing him to ask him the name of the pub but there are no contact details for him in his book. Jem also had connections with the circus owner Pablo Fanque as he did exhibition boxing etc in his circus, the coincidence is that Pablo is buried in Woodhouse cemetery just a short distance from Cross Cemetery St. I only found out about Pablo's grave when I saw a photo of it on Secret Leeds.