Leeds lost pubs

stutterdog · Post by **stutterdog** » Thu 08 Oct, 2009 10:51 pm

liits wrote: From Kelley's 1916, Claremont House Inn, 7 Braithwaite Street, Licensee Alfred Adams. Kelley's 1947 shows 17 Braithwaite Street as a lodging house. Looking at other pubs listed in the directorys, there was a renumbering of lots and lots of them at some point between 1916 - 47. So I'm guessing it's the same place. Hi liits. Thanks for the map.It clearly shows the Claremont house inn.My relatives Grt grandpa lodged opposite the lord Nelson pub. Braithwaite st, he says is opposite the lord nelson consequently he lived at Claremont ho inn! We think that we have solved the puzzle now. We were thrown a bit at the beginning as my relatives cousin told him the it was the Claredon hotel that Alf Adams was the keeper of.We are little puzzled that he was also told that at one time Alf Adams was also the keeper of the Lord Nelson.Thanks again

liits · Post by **liits** » Thu 08 Oct, 2009 11:06 pm

stutterdog wrote: liits wrote: From Kelley's 1916, Claremont House Inn, 7 Braithwaite Street, Licensee Alfred Adams. Kelley's 1947 shows 17 Braithwaite Street as a lodging house. Looking at other pubs listed in the directorys, there was a renumbering of lots and lots of them at some point between 1916 - 47. So I'm guessing it's the same place. Hi liits. Thanks for the map.It clearly shows the Claremont house inn.My relatives Grt grandpa lodged opposite the lord Nelson pub. Braithwaite st, he says is opposite the lord nelson consequently he lived at Claremont ho inn! We think that we have solved the puzzle now. We were thrown a bit at the beginning as my relatives cousin told him the it was the Claredon hotel that Alf Adams was the keeper of.We are little puzzled that he was also told that at one time Alf Adams was also the keeper of the Lord Nelson.Thanks again In compiling the list of Licensees, aided and abetted by several Kelley’s [and other] directories, It seems that the [then] pub landlord wasn’t so different to the present day pub manager in that they seem to move around quite a bit. Obviously, now they tend to move on because the places close down. But it's not impossible that he had been the landlord at both houses.

stutterdog · Post by **stutterdog** » Thu 08 Oct, 2009 11:17 pm

liits wrote: stutterdog wrote: liits wrote: From Kelley's 1916, Claremont House Inn, 7 Braithwaite Street, Licensee Alfred Adams. Kelley's 1947 shows 17 Braithwaite Street as a lodging house. Looking at other pubs listed in the directorys, there was a renumbering of lots and lots of them at some point between 1916 - 47. So I'm guessing it's the same place. Hi liits. Thanks for the map.It clearly shows the Claremont house inn.My relatives Grt grandpa lodged opposite the lord Nelson pub. Braithwaite st, he says is opposite the lord nelson consequently he lived at Claremont ho inn! We think that we have solved the puzzle now. We were thrown a bit at the beginning as my relatives cousin told him the it was the Claredon hotel that Alf Adams was the keeper of.We are little puzzled that he was also told that at one time Alf Adams was also the keeper of the Lord Nelson.Thanks again In compiling the list of Licensees, aided and abetted by several Kelley’s [and other] directories, It seems that the [then] pub landlord wasn’t so different to the present day pub manager in that they seem to move around quite a bit. Obviously, now they tend to move on because the places close down. But it's not impossible that he had been the landlord at both houses. Hi Liits.Could I trouble you again seeing as you have your directories to hand to see if Alf Adams was the keeper of the Claremont House Inn after 1926.The reason being that there are 2 dates of death for 2 Alf Adams,one in 1925,the other in 1940.Both ages at death fit with his birth in1858.My relative would like to order his death cert but is uncertain which one to ask for.If Alf Adams was still the keeper at the Claremont House Inn then this would indicate he died in 1940. Thank you in anticipation.

liits · Post by **liits** » Thu 08 Oct, 2009 11:46 pm

Sadly, the only thing I have to hand that covers the period is a digital copy of the Leeds Trade Directory 1925 [it's a bastardized version cut from some other directory and sold cheap on the net] and it only lists the licensed premisies. The street by street section, which would show licensee names, isn't in it. Kelly's 1947 shows James Robinson as the lodginghouse keeper for what was previously recorded as the Claremont House Hotel.My other two directories that cover the intervening period are away with my brother [who is doing the “trace the family tree” lark] so I can’t help you at the moment. I'm going over to see him in a few weeks so I'll get them back. If anybody else out there has a 1932 or 36 edition, they may be able to help you sooner than I can but until then, sorry.

The Parksider · Post by **The Parksider** » Fri 09 Oct, 2009 1:41 am

liits wrote: From Kelley's 1916, Licensee William Aikin. Kelley's 1947, Licensee, Albert Richardson. It shows in the 1925 Trades Directory but doesn't name the licensee. Locating places on old maps is tough and I appreciate your fine probably definitive efforts......But the Clarendon you place on the map, I recall by sight as called the Victoria bang on the corner of water lane and Viccy road, and not just down water lane on the right?That a pub existed on Water Lane on the boundary of ther bonded warehouse land is news to me.But I suppose in the golden age of pubs they could have sprung up anywhere and names changed too!Any comment?

liits · Post by **liits** » Fri 09 Oct, 2009 9:37 am

The Parksider wrote: liits wrote: From Kelley's 1916, Licensee William Aikin. Kelley's 1947, Licensee, Albert Richardson. It shows in the 1925 Trades Directory but doesn't name the licensee. Locating places on old maps is tough and I appreciate your fine probably definitive efforts......But the Clarendon you place on the map, I recall by sight as called the Victoria bang on the corner of water lane and Viccy road, and not just down water lane on the right?That a pub existed on Water Lane on the boundary of ther bonded warehouse land is news to me.But I suppose in the golden age of pubs they could have sprung up anywhere and names changed too!Any comment? The reason I started doing this was because after showing the Lost Pubs thread to an elderly relative [94] he started churning up all sorts of names that hadn’t been mentioned in the thread. I already had the Directories from something previously but had never bothered to look at the pub side of things and anyway, just posting a list of lost pubs is no fun.The aged relative thought the thread very good but couldn’t understand why each pub wasn’t under its own heading [you try and explain an internet discussion forum to somebody that age]. To keep him sweet and give me something to do I copied the whole thread and reorganised it into an alphabetical list of pubs. Then, not having lived in Leeds for quite a while I thought it would be a good idea, in conjunction with Uncle liits, to plot them up on a map. The result is [a snapshot of] what you see from those two posts. Several Kelley’s + aged relative’s memory = some inaccuracy. Should you care to help out, I can e-mail the maps and the alphabetised thread to anybody who could help me out.[Also, having checked, the Victoria should be the pointy building on the corner just to the left of where I’ve marked it. My skills with photoshop are slipping].As to the Clarendon, between Front Row and Water Lane were:75 George Fisher, Builder77 Ernest Butler, Confectioner79 Clarendon Hotel. Albert Richardson, licensee.

Si · Post by Si » Fri 09 Oct, 2009 11:45 am

Hi Liits. On your first map, you've missed off The Grove Inn, which is the building on the corner of Stone Row, just above the W of the word "ward." Hope this is of use.

stutterdog · Post by **stutterdog** » Fri 09 Oct, 2009 2:34 pm

liits wrote: Sadly, the only thing I have to hand that covers the period is a digital copy of the Leeds Trade Directory 1925 [it's a bastardized version cut from some other directory and sold cheap on the net] and it only lists the licensed premisies. The street by street section, which would show licensee names, isn't in it. Kelly's 1947 shows James Robinson as the lodginghouse keeper for what was previously recorded as the Claremont House Hotel.My other two directories that cover the intervening period are away with my brother [who is doing the “trace the family tree” lark] so I can’t help you at the moment. I'm going over to see him in a few weeks so I'll get them back. If anybody else out there has a 1932 or 36 edition, they may be able to help you sooner than I can but until then, sorry. Never mind,thanks a lot for your efforts,you have been of great help along with all the other splendid chaps who have assisted on this thread!

The Parksider · Post by **The Parksider** » Fri 09 Oct, 2009 7:01 pm

liits wrote: As to the Clarendon, between Front Row and Water Lane were:75 George Fisher, Builder77 Ernest Butler, Confectioner79 Clarendon Hotel. Albert Richardson, licensee. Great work sir!! I still feel sure the building we are referring to was BY THE 70's The Victoria. So I deduce that it was of course the Clarendon originally but later took the name The Victoria, which is not an unusual thing for pubs to change names.You don't have a directory for the early seventies do you!!!!

liits · Post by **liits** » Fri 09 Oct, 2009 8:07 pm

The Parksider wrote: liits wrote: As to the Clarendon, between Front Row and Water Lane were:75 George Fisher, Builder77 Ernest Butler, Confectioner79 Clarendon Hotel. Albert Richardson, licensee. Great work sir!! I still feel sure the building we are referring to was BY THE 70's The Victoria. So I deduce that it was of course the Clarendon originally but later took the name The Victoria, which is not an unusual thing for pubs to change names.You don't have a directory for the early seventies do you!!!! I did borrow a 1974 Kelley's with a view to buying it [which was, I think, about the last year it came out in the well known format] but because it was then relatively recent, I didn't see the value and sent it back. Clang! I've since managed to get a couple of phone books one with a deep blue paper cover and a picture of the town hall on it [I think about 1975 / 6 and another one with a buff colouerd cover with, I think Lands Lane Fountain but, again, they are away being used by my brother. I wasn't much bothered about them and told him so when I loaned them because they weren't much cop so I don't know if he still has them. To further my current project, if anybody would like to send me a current Leeds Yellow Pages...... BT want nearly twenty quid for one!