Leeds lost pubs

drapesy · Post by **drapesy** » Fri 27 Mar, 2009 11:39 pm

The White Lion on Tong Road has the metal shutters up.

String o' beads · Post by **String o' beads** » Sat 28 Mar, 2009 1:14 am

Does anyone else share my view that the breweries or owners are complicit in pub closures since they see the future potential in the land on which they stand?Imagine a massive boozer with loads of parking like, ooh, I dunno, The Bridgefield. Knock that down and how many flats can you build?

nobbyslass · Post by **nobbyslass** » Wed 01 Apr, 2009 1:38 am

Is this the biggest thread ever----wish pubs were a big part of the community as they once were --for good or for bad--any comments guys?

The Parksider · Post by **The Parksider** » Wed 01 Apr, 2009 9:17 am

Geordie-exile wrote: Does anyone else share my view that the breweries or owners are complicit in pub closures since they see the future potential in the land on which they stand? No - I think we massively underestimate a very large but very subtle social change. Taking it back a generation before me and beyond drink was seen as an evil as well as a pleasure and drinking in the house was frowned upon by many people whose equivalents today will get a pack of cans in, strike up the Barby and invite the friends and kids round.

Si · Post by Si » Wed 01 Apr, 2009 10:22 am

I don't know if anyone agrees with me, but the paranoid part of my brain sees an insidious campaign to demonise alcohol. For example, twenty years ago it was normal to spend your lunch break in the pub. As Parksider said, years ago, drinking at home with friends was rare unless it was a celebration. It's as if, like smoking, it's being pushed slowly underground.

sundowner · Post by **sundowner** » Wed 01 Apr, 2009 7:26 pm

The Black Bull in Pudsey has closed its licence has been revoked i wonder if it will manage to open again.?

simong · Post by **simong** » Wed 01 Apr, 2009 10:07 pm

Si wrote: I don't know if anyone agrees with me, but the paranoid part of my brain sees an insidious campaign to demonise alcohol. For example, twenty years ago it was normal to spend your lunch break in the pub. As Parksider said, years ago, drinking at home with friends was rare unless it was a celebration. It's as if, like smoking, it's being pushed slowly underground. For one part, a lot of the function of the NHS has been switched to prevention rather than cure and the education on 'safe' limits is there to save the NHS money in the long run. However, it feels like a lot of people in the health business take these limits as gospel, and if, like me, you find yourself needing regular checkups, these limits are more preached than advised. It does seem that there are zealots who would like to enforce limits in the name of health but as happened the other week, sensibly the government is keeping away from legislation and sticking to advice. However, the drinking culture has changed in my lifetime. Where it might have been three pints of Tetley's at lunchtime, it might now be three pints of Stella or similar, which is far stronger. I can remember real heavy drinking miners at my local WMC who would claim that they'd drink twenty pints at a session and probably did, but it was what is now called a 'session bitter' like Tetleys or (more likely where I was) Ward's or Stone's, or even mild, which could be weaker still. It didn't stop them weighing 20 stone and dying of cirrhosis or even gout but they could sustain it.The proposal by the Scottish Government to put minimum prices on drink also sound like a restriction, and on one side it could be perceived as a middle class thing as it seeks to outlaw such horrible things as 'vodka' made in a cat cracker or 'cider' that has never seen a real apple by basically making it uneconomic to sell, but in the other hand it won't stop the good residents of Morningside drinking a bottle or two of a nice red every night.There are countries that have attempted to control alcohol consumption by nationalising its sale and/or pricing out of reach but studies suggest that it makes little difference in consumption: one thing that history proves is that if human beings want to get drunk, they'll find a way of doing it.So yes, there is a degree of disencouragement to drink because of the health benefits and consequent reduction of stress on the health services, but drinking habits themselves have changed. One consequence of the current state of the economy seems to be that in some aspects it might well be changing back with the return of cask ale to pubs. While I've been writing this, I saw an advert for two cases of the usual suspect beers for £15 at Sainsbury's in the half time break. That's 24 440ml cans. That's 62.5p per can. Compared to a rough average of £2.30 a pint in a pub you can see the attraction, but also, surely the danger.

drapesy · Post by **drapesy** » Thu 02 Apr, 2009 12:06 am

I hear the Haddon Hall is next to go...

Chrism · Post by **Chrism** » Mon 06 Apr, 2009 3:59 pm

This one might be in here somewhere but for the life of me I can't remember the name. It was on Tong Way. It was a big shop fronted type pub.http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&q=T ... 0000195Any help on the name would be great.

Cardiarms · Post by **Cardiarms** » Mon 06 Apr, 2009 4:11 pm

Fern Lea?