Dialect/slang

drapesy · Post by **drapesy** » Wed 30 Jan, 2008 10:26 pm

arry awk wrote: Hi CnosiA few weeks ago on the same subject of missingthe 'the' or t' in Leedsspeak, (It was in the posting aboutpronouncing Pudsey and Bradford!),I seem to rememberactually saying that most Leeds/Bradford/Pudsey peoplemiss 'The' and even 't' out altogether and substitutea very minute aspirate e.g; Pu<h>sey or Bra<h>ford,or'Get up in<h> mornin' Try it yourself! It comes out asa very slight constriction of the epiglottis!I only put the t' in those quotes in my previous descriptive, because a<h> could have caused confusionamong our 'Oft Cummed' SL exiles from other regions!Try, 'While<h>bus arrives'. (fits better than just missing out the conjunction, which doesn't sound 'Leeds' at all saying,'whilebusarrives'!Thanks for the dialect download. Have to unravel all those 'buttons'WHEN I get a minute! Thanks again.Arry In linguistics the 'minute aspirate' is called a 'glottal stop'.(your right about the epiglottis!!) As you say in our dialect it's quite weak - but in some it can be very strong - think of the 'Cockney' "bo'ol" for 'bottle' or how many people pronounce 'Tattoo' as "Ta'oo". In some languages (arabic for instance) it is a distinct consonant of its own.

Trojan · Post by **Trojan** » Wed 30 Jan, 2008 11:49 pm

arry awk wrote: Hi CnosiA few weeks ago on the same subject of missingthe 'the' or t' in Leedsspeak, (It was in the posting aboutpronouncing Pudsey and Bradford!),I seem to rememberactually saying that most Leeds/Bradford/Pudsey peoplemiss 'The' and even 't' out altogether and substitutea very minute aspirate e.g; Pu<h>sey or Bra<h>ford,or'Get up in<h> mornin' Try it yourself! It comes out asa very slight constriction of the epiglottis!I only put the t' in those quotes in my previous descriptive, because a<h> could have caused confusionamong our 'Oft Cummed' SL exiles from other regions!Try, 'While<h>bus arrives'. (fits better than just missing out the conjunction, which doesn't sound 'Leeds' at all saying,'whilebusarrives'!Thanks for the dialect download. Have to unravel all those 'buttons'WHEN I get a minute! Thanks again.Arry Dropping the "t" as t'mornin' is common throughout Lancashire, Yorkshire, and the East Midlands. However Bratfurt is a classic West Riding pronunciation. I well remember being on Leeds City station as an 11/12 year old and hearing the station announcer say the word correctly Bradd forddd and thinking how funny it sounded.As someone who works mostly in Lancashire, there are difference (their peculiar "ow" sound in words like round" but for the most part much of what they say is familiar if slightly different. They laugh at wun for one (they say wan) they laugh at "yoo" for you when they say "yew" But for the most part north of the Trent we can understand one another fairly easily.There was a famous comedian from Wigan called Frank Randall, the owners of the variety theatre circuit in which he worked wouldn't allow him south of Nottingham, claiming he would be unintelligable. The film Kes when first released was only in cinemas north of Nottingham for the same reason.I tend to feel safe linguistically in the Rugby League heartlands although I suppose Hull's "gerrem on sard" is a bit foreign to Leeds ears

Si · Post by Si » Thu 31 Jan, 2008 9:38 am

arry awk wrote: Back again! Can't keep away!I can't remember seeing 'Pop' in thisthread?e.g Popshop; Pawnbroker's pledge office.Popped his clogs! (Died). When someone'snuffed it', the family would pawn his clogs and suitetc to raise cash in hard times.Pop; Dartboard bullseye (score 50)Centre pop; Engineering term for small pointedtool struck with a hammer to make a 'start'for the drill to bite in metal ,or to mark out where holesneeded to be drilled.Pop to<h>shop(!); nip out to the corner shop.Playing pop with; Telling off.and of course, generally, a fizzy drink(pop). 'Ey up, Arry,I know most of them (those?), but I believe a unique-to-Leeds term is to "bob to <h> shop." My missus is from 'Uddersfield and has never heard of it. Me Dad were allus playin' pop wi' us!CheersSi

Chrism · Post by **Chrism** » Thu 31 Jan, 2008 12:57 pm

There was a famous comedian from Wigan called Frank Randall, the owners of the variety theatre circuit in which he worked wouldn't allow him south of Nottingham, claiming he would be unintelligable. The film Kes when first released was only in cinemas north of Nottingham for the same reason.I have lived here in the Midlands for just over a year, last week my missus (she's from here) and I watched Kes. I had to keep telling her what they were on about!

Post by **cnosni** » Thu 31 Jan, 2008 4:31 pm

arry awk wrote: Hi CnosiA few weeks ago on the same subject of missingthe 'the' or t' in Leedsspeak, (It was in the posting aboutpronouncing Pudsey and Bradford!),I seem to rememberactually saying that most Leeds/Bradford/Pudsey peoplemiss 'The' and even 't' out altogether and substitutea very minute aspirate e.g; Pu<h>sey or Bra<h>ford,or'Get up in<h> mornin' Try it yourself! It comes out asa very slight constriction of the epiglottis!I only put the t' in those quotes in my previous descriptive, because a<h> could have caused confusionamong our 'Oft Cummed' SL exiles from other regions!Try, 'While<h>bus arrives'. (fits better than just missing out the conjunction, which doesn't sound 'Leeds' at all saying,'whilebusarrives'!Thanks for the dialect download. Have to unravel all those 'buttons'WHEN I get a minute! Thanks again.Arry Im sat here saying all those things,and youre right,it is there,the little aspirate is definiteley there.What is it called then the times you say "t " as in "to the" shop?

arry_awk · Post by **arry_awk** » Fri 01 Feb, 2008 6:03 pm

'Inta<h>shop!' o'course! Easy! Re your previous posting,I Knew about glottal stops when thee were learning yer ABC!(Mebbe before!)Didn't mention it cos the LEEDS <h> Isn't a proper 'stop' so it would not've been glottal!Sounds like a dose of Catarrh! (Confused? I am!)

Post by **cnosni** » Fri 01 Feb, 2008 6:15 pm

arry awk wrote: 'Inta<h>shop!' o'course! Easy! Re your previous posting,I Knew about glottal stops when thee were learning yer ABC!(Mebbe before!)Didn't mention it cos the LEEDS <h> Isn't a proper 'stop' so it would not've been glottal!Sounds like a dose of Catarrh! (Confused? I am!) Shame you didnt learn your "H" with your ABC!!!,eh Arry?

arry_awk · Post by **arry_awk** » Fri 01 Feb, 2008 6:16 pm

Hi Si!Jogged me ancient 'recall machine' with 'bob!'A silly saying we had as kids was; 'If Yar (your) Bob Dun't give Ar (our)Bob That bob (shilling) that Yar Bob owes Ar Bob, Then Ar Bob'll gi' Yar Bob A Bob a<h>top o'<h> noo'as!(Nose)Anon!

arry_awk · Post by **arry_awk** » Fri 01 Feb, 2008 6:23 pm

PASS!The 'Arry 'Awk bit was pinched from the old West Country yokel song'Uncle Tom Cobbleigh an'all!'Arry Awk was 'Tail end Charlie' at the backof the horse. Nobody mentioned how he 'anchored' himselfto stop falling off!

tippi · Post by **tippi** » Sat 02 Feb, 2008 11:05 am

Hi I'm new here, so I don't know whether this has already been asked. I just wondered if anyone else remembers old people saying 'jelly' instead of 'generally' as in 'your mam 'd jelly be home be now, it's five a twenty to six'. She lived most of her life in Gipton although she was born in Scarborough - so I wondered whether it was Leedsspeak or North Yorks but I know I never hear it used now.