Tram 180 at Crich......Or is it?

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Tram 180 at Crich......Or is it?

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The history books tell us that 180 was withdrawn in Nov 1957, originally with the intention that it would be a donor car for spares. However, due to no 189 being seriously damaged in a crash it was decided that 180 would be refurbished and given the trucks that had been on no 189, after refurbishment work was completed (in Apr 1958) 180 was renumbered as 189. No 180/189 was in the Leeds Tramway last tram procession on 7th Nov 1959 and then saved for preservation at Crich where it was returned to its original 180 number.

However, I have just found a picture which shows 180 being scrapped at Cottingley around the late 1950s.

If this is the case then could it be that the 180 at Crich is, and has always been 189 and that it was 180 that was damaged, trucks swapped to 189 and then subsequently scrapped?

So.. is 180 at Crich……… The original 180 with 189's trucks....or...…...189 with 180's trucks?

….there could be a perfectly straightforward explanation.....any suggestions? what do you think?
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I have sent a message & a link to this page to Crich Tramway Village on FB

https://www.facebook.com/crichtramwayvillage/

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A response from "Tramway Mel" "Insurance fiddle by LCT that tram is 189 not 180"

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A friend on Flickr, "Frederick" has suggested that they may have swapped one or both front panels from 189 to 180 in order not to have to repaint the fleet number or because they were in better condition but I would have thought that if 189 had been badly damaged they would not have reattached 180's front panels onto the wreck of 189. Even if this is the case it should be part of 180's story that the front panels belong to 189.

I'm not convinced.

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One intriguing question,,, why renumber to 189? why not just leave it as 180?
There may be a good explanation but I can't think of one.

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I don't know what happens in the world of trams, but it is common for aircraft to be renumbered. An air museum acquires an old aircraft, restores in and paints it and then gives it a squadron number which is significant or relevant to the museum. The Westland Lysander at the Shuttleworth vintage air museum is painted black and has the squadron number of a Special Air Service spy taxi. In real life it was a boring target tug used for gunnery practice in Canada. Could this have happened to the tram, giving it a new identity to make it more interesting?

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Message received from The Tramway Village on FB which I've copied & pasted

Withdrawn from service
Initially withdrawn in November 1957 with a view to using it for spares, but refurbished and re-instated.on the truck belonging to 189 after the latter was seriously damaged in a collision. Renumbered as 189 at this time.

Subsequent history
Took part in the last tram procession on 7th November 1959 and saved for preservation, moving to Crich, where it had its original number restored, in February 1960.

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Fascinating stuff :).
In the information brought up through uncle mick's https://tinyurl.com/tc6uv4e link there is a photo of tram 180 captioned "180 in service in Leeds. R.B. Parr, 5/10/1952". Am I correct in that it looks to have been taken on Lower Briggate? The curved tracks seen could be those to and from the Swinegate depot.
Wow, it's getting close to 61 years since the last tram ran in Leeds!
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I find it strange that in the photo the tram looks completely burnt out except for the front panel ??
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Obviously, NOT 180.

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