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Postby blackprince » Fri 18 May, 2018 6:04 pm

Just wondering what people think of the East Coast Main Line franchise coming back into public ownership? Its a bit ironic naming the renationalised company LNER - after one of the big 4 private companies. What goes around comes around -Corbyn only wants to take us back to the 70's this seems to be a step back to the 40's :)
I only ever use the WCML these days but haven't found it too badly run by Virgin, so a bit surprised they couldn't run the ECML franchise successfully.
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Postby jim » Fri 18 May, 2018 7:47 pm

here is a story behind this that gets little publicity. The franchise was bid for on the understanding that funding would be provided by the Government for the design and building of new trains and power which could run at higher speeds with greater seating capacity and with greater economy, which inturn woud have allowed for more frequent services, all of which would hav created greater income. For various reasons this did not happen, leaving Virgin with a massive unexpected income shortfall, which meant that the franchise could not pay it's way. They had no option but to leave the contract.
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Postby hicklingmick » Mon 21 May, 2018 4:14 pm

Before Virgin/Stagecoach the uk gov ran the ECML and made a profit.

From what ive read about terminating the contract,when they tendered for the franchise they over bid because they said the amount paid to the gov would increase greatly after 3 yrs to around the £4/500 mil per yr until the end of the franchise and they couldnt afford it..

But I believe its not going to be nationalised really because its going to be run by 3 companies ,1 is a accountancy co and 2 engineering cos 1 of which is based in Canada..
All this is only going by what ive read in the media but we all know they can be wrong.
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Postby chemimike » Mon 21 May, 2018 7:36 pm

If it is run by any of the currently available accountancy companies then the whole thing will be a deciet, as all are basically crooked

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Postby hicklingmick » Tue 22 May, 2018 1:42 pm

It would seem this nationalisation isnt going to last long when the virgin franchise ends..

This is whats been quoted.

From that date June , DOHL, a government-owned ‘operator of last resort’, would take over the franchise and begin preparations for the creation of an integrated East Coast Partnership business with a single team managing both operations and infrastructure.

The government has said that it does not intend to strip Virgin and Stagecoach of the franchising passports which they hold, and thus they would be able to bid for future franchises...

So does this mean that Branson will get what hes wanted all along ie: the track as well?
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Postby dogduke » Tue 22 May, 2018 3:43 pm

Stagecoach own 90% of Virgin Trains.
Privatisation of B.R. was a bad idea and was very badly done.
This why we are in this state today.
Passenger numbers I believe have dropped recently leaving Virgin in a position where it is affectung profits.
The rolling stock and locomotives are leased to the train operator.

The term LNE was used by Railtrack/Network Rail for one of their operating areas.

Virgin and National Express. are both victims of their own greed and were nothing like GNER when they ran the service.
Their only problem was that their parent company Sea Containers Ltd went bust
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Postby Bracken » Thu 24 May, 2018 5:31 pm

It will be interesting to see if they change the train livery.The apple green that the locomotive that Flying Scotsman was painted would be a refreshing change.There are some terrible train liveries around so lets hope something sensible if anything is chosen.
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Postby mhoulden » Mon 28 May, 2018 11:06 pm

The pre-Virgin ECML livery was deliberately fairly bland so whoever took over could do what they wanted with it. I vaguely remember they had another livery between being publicly owned and GNER taking over them. It was based on the rising sun. All I could find was this cap badge: Image

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