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Livery is almost a nod to the old LCT colours, bring it all back i say!!

cnosni wrote: Livery is almost a nod to the old LCT colours, bring it all back i say!! That was also my immediate reaction. It certainly brought back memories of the darker green colour of many years back.     

On the day that this becomes active a 2nd (of 4*) due to open is announced. http://newsfeed.leedsvirtualnewsroom.co ... mlAccessed from Bell Wood roundabout (a63 ELLR?) at Temple Green in the Aire Valley Enterprise Zone close to junction 45 of the M1.* 3 and 4 are already known being Stourton and Lawnswood but are dependent on Follybus going ahead    

tyke bhoy wrote: On the day that this becomes active a 2nd (of 4*) due to open is announced. http://newsfeed.leedsvirtualnewsroom.co ... mlAccessed from Bell Wood roundabout (a63 ELLR?) at Temple Green in the Aire Valley Enterprise Zone close to junction 45 of the M1.* 3 and 4 are already known being Stourton and Lawnswood but are dependent on Follybus going ahead     No offence, but this must be about the 38th time the Aire Valley P+R has been announced by LCC / Metro, without a sod of turf being turned.If promises were pound notes, eh? Returning to the Elland Rd P+R, it started today so you can imagine my surprise when I discovered that the "bus lane gate" at the end of the M621 still isn't anywhere near finished (see pic - apologies for the quality, it's off my dashcam).Another fine example of the council's inability to organise a drinking session in a brewery...I can't imagine the hundreds flocking to use it will have been impressed at having to joining the queue off the motorway whilst sat on a hot and stuffy bus this morning? Finally - read this and weep / laugh: http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/n ... -1-6689810    

tyke bhoy wrote: On the day that this becomes active a 2nd (of 4*) due to open is announced. http://newsfeed.leedsvirtualnewsroom.co ... mlAccessed from Bell Wood roundabout (a63 ELLR?) at Temple Green in the Aire Valley Enterprise Zone close to junction 45 of the M1.* 3 and 4 are already known being Stourton and Lawnswood but are dependent on Follybus going ahead     Regardless of Trolleybus going a head or not the park and ride at Stourton and Lawnswood should still go ahead, and for that matter i would stick one in as well at the East Leeds Link road / A63 jcn with the M1.Close to Stourton to be sure, but would be a draw for drivers coming into Leeds from the direction of Garforth/ York and thus utilising a road which is little used, this little use would provide a quicker journey for any park and ride bus into Leeds.

Went past ER P+R today, about 20 cars parked there.Early days i know but i still think its too close to the city centre.

The ELL Road P+R makes sense - straight off the motorway and a direct route to the city centre along a bus lane equipped dual carriageway. They need to raise the speed limit though.Stourton and Lawnswood could make sense with the right connectivity (and no need for the follybus). Add one at York Road near Scholes (as has been in the transport strategy since the 80's) with a fast limited stop service.The King Lane one is in the wrong place and will never fully take off while its reliant on standard stopping buses taking 30 minutes plus to get people into Leeds.And, as most of us predicted, the Elland Road one is too close to the city centre and too expensive. Not least of all to us council tax payers who've got a bill for nearly £3 million to tarmac a bit of land, plus the ongoing cost of all those empty buses...

raveydavey wrote: The ELL Road P+R makes sense - straight off the motorway and a direct route to the city centre along a bus lane equipped dual carriageway. They need to raise the speed limit though.Stourton and Lawnswood could make sense with the right connectivity (and no need for the follybus). Add one at York Road near Scholes (as has been in the transport strategy since the 80's) with a fast limited stop service.The King Lane one is in the wrong place and will never fully take off while its reliant on standard stopping buses taking 30 minutes plus to get people into Leeds.And, as most of us predicted, the Elland Road one is too close to the city centre and too expensive. Not least of all to us council tax payers who've got a bill for nearly £3 million to tarmac a bit of land, plus the ongoing cost of all those empty buses... About 25 cars yesterday, naturally the buses during the day were empty.Can see the buses being utilised for something else outside rush hour times at this rate.

A couple of updatesThe Bus Lane that continues from the Jack Lane filter lane of the M621 offslip is now in operation (has been for about a week).At approximately 7.45 this morning I saw one of the Leeds bound buses from the above location. It had 4 or maximum 5 passengers on a 70 seat double decker. The bus I was on then caught it again at the Bewley's Hotel stops as it had stopped to let a passenger alight. Note that unless there has been a change already this isn't one of the, only, two designated drop of points for the inbound service. It does actually make some sense to include this stop and the driver was probably showing common sense that no doubt would have voided the Operator's Public Liability Insurance had they needed to make a claim.

Also forgot to add. The most prevalent exterior bus advertising I have seen for the P&R is on Arriva buses. Not just any Arriva buses though. Mainly on Arriva's new flagship little buses operating from the Wakefield Depot and predominantly for use on tight estates and therefore not really getting anywhere near central Leeds except the occasional ones with a terminus at the bus station and highly unlikely to be seen by drivers who may be tempted by the P&R.