Leeds trolley buses set to get the go ahead!

[chameleon]

chameleon wrote: puregenius0 wrote: Maybe they need to be slightly more overt, I cant recall being asked or being given the opportunity to pass an opinion on where my money is being spent (wasted). They always manage to contact everybody at this time of year for their remittance. There was a caravan display unit outside the rt Gallery for everyone to visit - assumed you could find a bus to get you there an online form as I recall again, if you new about it and I think a short questionaire in a junk-mail publication. But yes, your point abover is more than quite valid and illustrates the failure in being public facing on matters.

[chameleon]

chameleon wrote: puregenius0 wrote: As usual the tax payers of west leeds get cheated into paying for something that has little or no impact on their lives but serves all the residents of east leeds ie supertram, trolley busses what next.Have LCC ever even considered asking the people who fund them and whom they are supposed to be serving what they would actually prefer to have instead of foisting their will without consultation ? Time to kick back with the election coming up ! Yes they have, variously over the years, including a fairly recent New Generation Transport survey which attracted, as I recall, just over 200 'concerned' respondents from the residents of Leeds. Here is the report:http://www.ngtmetro.com/NR/rdonlyres/D7 ... h09.pdfAnd I stand corrected about the number of respondents - though I know the figure of ~200 is relevant somewhere in there

[tyke bhoy]

chameleon wrote: chameleon wrote: puregenius0 wrote: As usual the tax payers of west leeds get cheated into paying for something that has little or no impact on their lives but serves all the residents of east leeds ie supertram, trolley busses what next.Have LCC ever even considered asking the people who fund them and whom they are supposed to be serving what they would actually prefer to have instead of foisting their will without consultation ? Time to kick back with the election coming up ! Yes they have, variously over the years, including a fairly recent New Generation Transport survey which attracted, as I recall, just over 200 'concerned' respondents from the residents of Leeds. Here is the report:http://www.ngtmetro.com/NR/rdonlyres/D7 ... h09.pdfAnd I stand corrected about the number of respondents - though I know the figure of ~200 is relevant somewhere in there Looking at the spread of respondents I would say the heaviest concentrations are in the West Leeds area particularly close to the Aire

[tyke bhoy]

Of course it could be to do with the housing density probably being greatest between the A660 and A65

[Reginal Perrin]

No-one drives to Hunslet from further out to catch one of the very frequent buses that go down Low Road now, why will they start doing it just because the bus is electric and shiny? They won't.No-one is going to incur the cost of owning a car just to get out of it half way and ride a bus into work. What we need is sheap reliable public transport and this couls be on 30 year old buses for all i car so long as it was cheap and got me there. Why does everything have to be new and shiny and expensive?

[Cardiarms]

The park and ride cost will have to be less than a day's parking. How much is a week day's parking? £8? £40 a week? I've no idea.    

[tyke bhoy]

Reginal Perrin wrote: No-one drives to Hunslet from further out to catch one of the very frequent buses that go down Low Road now, why will they start doing it just because the bus is electric and shiny? They won't.No-one is going to incur the cost of owning a car just to get out of it half way and ride a bus into work. A couple of extra incentives might.1)A charge for driving into Leeds whether it be name a congestion charge or whatever. LCC promised that there never would be one until there was a suitable mass transit alternative in place.2)A charge for parking in Leeds. Yes I know shoppers and some workers already pay to park in car parks and on street in the City Centre and some companies do even charge workers to park in their own car parks. Leeds Met make payroll deductions for staff issued with Leeds Met Parking Permits even for the Headingley (Beckett Park) Campus. It was also mooted at one time that free parking on a companies premises in areas where parking charges apply to others (city cetnres) is a perk and as such should be taxable.Provide free parking in brown field sites on the peripheries and provide a cheap, fast and reliable alternative to taxed/charged city centre entry/parking and the won't will change to might or will. Reginal Perrin wrote: What we need is sheap reliable public transport and this couls be on 30 year old buses for all i car so long as it was cheap and got me there. Why does everything have to be new and shiny and expensive? Agreed it could be on 30 year old buses as long as they were also clean (much of the train rolling stock on the stopper routes will be getting on for a similar age). However to make them reliable and fast requires tackling a chicken and egg or a completely separate network. A major reason car drivers give for not using buses is that they are never to schedule (reliable) and take too long (slow). The reason they are slow and unreliable is because the buses are stuck in the same queues of traffic that those car drivers cause and the buses can't divert down rat runs or take alternative routes when they do run into congestion. They will only be fast and reliable with much less traffic on the road.The alternative is to remove the buses from the road network in the main so it isn't subject to that congestion. Hence the shiny and new proposals/reality of "supertram", "TrolleyBus", "Guided bus way" and the "A65 priority bus route".The one other thing I would point out is that even with current volumes of passengers some services (bus and train) are close to saturation (full volume) point in the rush hour. The 110 that is one of those regular and reliable services on Hunslet Low Road is often close to standing room only in an out of Leeds and thats a 6 per hour service for most of the day. Rush Hour trains on the wakefield and Harrogate lines are also regularly standing room only. therefore whatever the solution is it requires added capacity too.

[Keg]

Agree Cnosni, most of my family come from S Yorks and it's a " we've always done it this way" attitude. The A65 bus corridor makes me laugh, is 4-6 minutes really going to get that many people out of their cars?.I used to live in Cookridge and go to school near Woodhouse Moor, and remember the bus lane going in. Same with the A65 adjustments.When we hear the cackling witch & bearded boy wonder on radio Leeds going on about traffic, no-one takes into acount that we have halved the capacity on the two main north Leeds routes over the last 30 years, we have never widened the ring road after lawnswood.So if you want to look at it in negative terms ( and i can only speak about north Leeds, we have actually gone backwards, building no new roads and narrowing access on the original onesIn fact it's a miracle that we get in in the time that we do    

[Trojan]

I may have this wrong but wasn't the proposed Supertram supposed to travel down Otley Road? How is the proposed trolleybus worse than this?Surely the congestion caused by Supertram would have been just as bad.The people who live in North Leeds seem to think the city should be run entirely for their benefit. They should try living in neglected potholed Morley.

[Cardiarms]

Morwhere?