Isle of Cynder

jim · Post by **jim** » Mon 02 Jul, 2012 10:04 am

jim wrote: Jogon wrote: Can anyone sit me down and explain the correct use and difference between Mill LeatMill RaceGoitAqueductConduit I'll do my best, Jogon:- A Mill Race covers all forms of water conducting routes. A Mill Leat is one dug straight from the ground with or without raised earthen banks.A Goit is one bounded by stone or brick.An Aqueduct is a stone or brick built viaduct like structure carrying water.A conduit is usually reserved in this sense to a piped supply, though the word can also be used for any supply or channel........and as a bonus, a launder is a wooden channel raised off the ground for the purpose of carrying water or slurries.All definitions subject to dispute and cries of "you don't know what you're on about". Forgot another bonus:-A culvert is a short tunnel section, as under a roadway or railway.

Jogon · Post by **Jogon** » Thu 05 Jul, 2012 9:32 am

Jim - excellent thanksI've just checked but the anticipated NWR eastbound plans may take some time.This will hopefully have Architects drawings of the layout of the Isle of Cynder much as in Liits excellent overlay.

Jogon · Post by **Jogon** » Thu 05 Jul, 2012 9:33 am

Perhaps inspired Catherine Cookson's well regarded book "The Isle of Clinker Path".

Caron · Post by **Caron** » Thu 05 Jul, 2012 12:31 pm

Jogon wrote: Perhaps inspired Catherine Cookson's well regarded book "The Isle of Clinker Path". Jogon, you should write scripts for Count Arthur Strong. Lol.

Jogon · Post by **Jogon** » Fri 06 Jul, 2012 12:42 pm

1998 excavation WYAS book:-This went 2 metres (Six Foot Six and a bit in real money) down. I do not understand the next bit but know some SL people do - the natural bedrock comprised Lower Coal Measures shales at 4.1 metres below ground level.A broad rock-cut water channel 12m x 7m wide was found under the (later built) stone water channels.Some of the timbers found in there were felled between 1225 and 1270.Book has Pics show view towards railway arches from where Bibis is now.To left - foundations of 18th Century Oil Mill.To right - watercourses and walls of two 19th Century wheelpits. Mainly constructed of coarse-grained sandstone. Probably from Bramley Fall Quarry or Kirkstall area, it was water-resistant and ideal for such use.

Cardiarms · Post by **Cardiarms** » Fri 06 Jul, 2012 1:05 pm

The arch at top right being the Kings Mill Goit.

Jogon · Post by **Jogon** » Sun 08 Jul, 2012 4:50 pm

From Liit's overlay map, it looked to go under where the 'Cycle-hub' thing is now.

buffaloskinner · Post by **buffaloskinner** » Sun 08 Jul, 2012 5:28 pm

Jogon and Leodian have a look at theseTaken from The Tudors In West YorkshireThe King's MillsThe mill of the manor of Leeds lay to the south-east of the site now occupied by Leeds City Railway Station. A mill has existed there from at least the 11th century to the early 20th century, but no trace of it now remains, though its former presence is reflected in the street name of Mill Hill. The site was known as the King's (or Queen's Mills, as appropriate) because they belonged to the Crown until the 16th century. It was the custom in the medieval and early Tudor periods to compel tenants of the manor to grind their corn at the lord's mill, in the case of Leeds the King's Mills. For this they had to pay a percentage of the resultant flour to the lord of the manor. Tenants were also only supposed to use flour ground at the King's Mill and not to use flour bought from outside. Fines could be imposed for non-compliance. In 1555 Queen Mary had to remind her tenants of this duty. The warning was repeated four years later and orders were given that a cornmill on the Sheepscar Beck should be demolished and its dam burst. The compulsion to use the King's Mill continued in use in Leeds until 1830, though the growing size of the town made it increasingly difficult to enforce. In 1995 redevelopment of the site for a multi-story car park gave archaeologists the opportunity to investigate what lay beneath the ground. The majority of the features excavated related to the 17th century and later mills but on the lowest levels were traces of a wooden lined wheelpit, which may have been in use during the Tudor period. Adjacent to it were fittings which might have been associated with the mill dam.Also have a look at this linkhttp://www.archaeology.wyjs.org.uk/documents/a ... 402910.pdf

Leodian · Post by **Leodian** » Sun 08 Jul, 2012 7:01 pm

Hi buffaloskinner. Thanks for that.

Jogon · Post by **Jogon** » Fri 13 Jul, 2012 12:01 pm

jim wrote: Can anyone explain the correct use and difference between Mill Leat Mill Race Goit Aqueduct Conduit Jim>Mill Race covers all forms of water conducting routes.Mill Leat is one dug straight from the ground with or without raised earthen banks.Goit is one bounded by stone or brick.Aqueduct is a stone or brick built viaduct like structure carrying water.Conduit is usually reserved in this sense to a piped supply, though the word can also be used for any supply or channel.Bonus, a launder is a wooden channel raised off the ground for the purpose of carrying water or slurries. Xtra bonus:-A culvert is a short tunnel section, as under a roadway or railway.Jim Just come across another one I've never seen or heard of.Ait (also Eyot) - a small island in a river.Origin Old English iggath, igeth, based in ieg 'island'.The origin of the name "Isle of Cynder", according to Prof Beresford (Leeds Uni, Patron of Thoresby Soc), is given as follows:"The consumption of coal by the dyehouses of Swinegate gave rise to the name 'Isle of Cinders' for the eyot between the goits of the King's Mills".ISBN0900741236 Though not strictly IofCy - the old maps have thrown up something else. What we, today, call Fearne's Island isn't. Or at least is now but wasn't. The current 'island' which used to be the Cadet station is just the Navigation lock to allow boat traffic past the weir.Fearne's Island was on oppo side at end of weir and the 'island' was caused by Timble/Sheepscar Beck and the tail race of Nether Mill.1715 image shows this. Nether Mills 1954 on there too