Isle of Cynder

jim · Post by **jim** » Fri 13 Jul, 2012 1:05 pm

Hi Jogon. I had come across "eyot" before, much used for small islands in the Thames. All the rest of your interesting post is new to me. Nice research.

Caron · Post by **Caron** » Fri 13 Jul, 2012 1:05 pm

So Isle of Cynder is named because of the coal ?I'm not really that bright on such matters but I'm following this thread and learning! Looking at the picture I'm wondering what the tall buildings are to the left and right of the church in the centre. Is the church St John's and is the building on the left Kirky Abbey?Thanks.Caron.

Jogon · Post by **Jogon** » Fri 13 Jul, 2012 1:33 pm

Leodis http://tinyurl.com/c5ohq64The prospect of Leeds from the Knostrop Road, by Francis Place.Image taken from Thoresby's Ducatus Leodiensis 1715.Six major buildings in the town centre are numbered and 3 others named. I don't know what is what but the pic was here http://tinyurl.com/6ulsbwySo marry up with old map might show who's who.I found this info in East End, West End - Prof. Beresford / Thoresby http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0900 ... 0_s00_i00I think Ducatus 1715 can be bought as electronic version/CD Rom.

Caron · Post by **Caron** » Fri 13 Jul, 2012 9:09 pm

Hard to believe I was born only a few years after the pic of Nether Mills was taken. Leeds looks so new and modern now.Thanks, Jogon.

Jogon · Post by **Jogon** » Tue 11 Sep, 2012 8:01 pm

Could someone with a trade journal or similar get an address for "...the premises of J. Boardman, cooper, underneath the railway arches.."This may have been Swinegate or Tenter Lane.'Concordia Mills'I'm guessing it is roughly from the Pitt Row car park / back of Bibis.

uncle mick · Post by **uncle mick** » Tue 11 Sep, 2012 8:34 pm

Jogon wrote: Could someone with a trade journal or similar get an address for "...the premises of J. Boardman, cooper, underneath the railway arches.."This may have been Swinegate or Tenter Lane.Just trying to get a then + now fix on this leodis photo'Concordia Mills'Description:c.1890. View looks across a weir which spans a mill race. This water had been diverted from the River Aire to power several mills in the area between Sovereign Street and Swinegate, including Concordia Mills, seen towards the left. In the background are the premises of J. Boardman, cooper, underneath the railway arches.I'm guessing it is roughly from the Pitt Row car park / back of Bibis. From Kellys 1893

Jogon · Post by **Jogon** » Tue 11 Sep, 2012 10:03 pm

You're great !

Leodian · Post by **Leodian** » Fri 21 Sep, 2012 10:36 pm

As Mill Goit has been mentioned in this thread I thought the following may be of interest as it has mention of Mill Goit, though it is not directly about it. The following is from John Mayhall's 'Annals of Yorkshire' volume 1 published in 1861:-"1609. In this year the Leeds soke originated, by letters patent, granted by James 1. to Edward Ferrers, of London, mercer, and Francis Phelips, of the same place, gentleman. The mills to which this grant applied, are supposed to have stood in Swinegate, at the place known by the name of the "Mill Goit." The origin of this custom is very remote. In ancient times, each family ground its corn in hand-mills. When water-mills were invented, their introduction was eagerly desired, and no one being found able to build them in some poor districts, the king was petitioned to erect mills in various places, to which he consented, on condition that the inhabitants would bind themselves and their heirs for ever, to grind at such mills, on the terms then agreed on. During the Crusades, many privileges and immunities were granted to the Knights Templers; and among these were the exemption of their lands from certain taxes, and from the soke of the mills. The houses thus exempt, were marked by crosses.".I wonder if the binding deed was ever revoked? In view of the "their heirs for ever" bit perhaps it may be wise not to grind corn in the area of the Mill Goit so as not to be taxed (or whatever!).

buffaloskinner · Post by **buffaloskinner** » Sat 22 Sep, 2012 12:06 am

Well Leo you don’t owe anything thank goodnessIn the Kings Mill : Here by manorial custom, every householder in Leeds had to bring his corn to be ground, the only properties exempt from the ‘soke’ being those formally owned by the Knights Templar and the Order of St John, these proving their privilege by displaying a Templar cross on their front walls.The rights to the Kings Mill and its ‘soke’ were extremely valuable, Edward Hudson of Roundhay bought then in 1815 for £32,000. In 1839 the Corporation bought up the ‘soke’ right for £13,000, and so freeing the citizens of Leeds from this restrictive burden for ever more.

Leodian · Post by **Leodian** » Sat 22 Sep, 2012 12:21 am

buffaloskinner wrote: Well Leo you don’t owe anything thank goodnessIn the Kings Mill : Here by manorial custom, every householder in Leeds had to bring his corn to be ground, the only properties exempt from the ‘soke’ being those formally owned by the Knights Templar and the Order of St John, these proving their privilege by displaying a Templar cross on their front walls.The rights to the Kings Mill and its ‘soke’ were extremely valuable, Edward Hudson of Roundhay bought then in 1815 for £32,000. In 1839 the Corporation bought up the ‘soke’ right for £13,000, and so freeing the citizens of Leeds from this restrictive burden for ever more. Thanks buffaloskinner.That's a relief, as the council tax is high enough as it is!