Building the Schofields Centre

LS1 · Post by **LS1** » Wed 19 Dec, 2007 11:42 am

I was sure that on one of the maps I have it notes Red Hall (site of so it was post 1961) as being sort of on Albion Street, where the but then again Leodis descriptions note that the gardens stretched to Albion Place. certainly on the map I have the whole area from King charles Street to Ablion Place to Albion Street to Guilford Street (as was) is marked as being part of red hall. This pic from Leodis states... "1914 View looks from King Charles Street onto the Red Hall. This property was built in 1628 and was probably the first brick building in Leeds. At the time of this view, the lower floor is being used as a garage for Rover Motor Cars. Red Hall was demolished in 1961.So I cant figure out what the street inthe foreground is, and also what view of Red Hall this is, ie front, back side etc.

LS1 · Post by **LS1** » Wed 19 Dec, 2007 11:47 am

This pic says it was taken from King Charles Croft, which as I mentioned before was at right angles to King Charles Street leading into Lands Lane. Part of the caption..."Undated, Image shows Red Hall, probably the first red brick building in Leeds. Built in 1628 for Alderman Thomas Metcalfe (appointed 1630) the grounds and orchard spread to Albion Street. The garden became home to the Tivoli and Theatre Royal in the 1800s."This appears to be the rear view, but if so how could it front onto Guilford Street?

LS1 · Post by **LS1** » Wed 19 Dec, 2007 11:53 am

Si wrote: LS1 wrote: I thought Red Hall was on King Charles' croft, which would be now roughly where the Lands Lane Entrance to the Headrow centre is/ was before they have recently remodelled the area. I know on this corner the King Charles pub stood once, and i tried to look for some foundations when they knocked down the old shoe shop on Lands Lane (was it a shelly's) but there wasnt anything there. I did go up to the old Circus foodcourt in the centre and get some pics, but nothign special. On old maps Red hall is marked as being just roughly where David H Myers opticians is on Albion Street. On my 1847 OS map of Leeds, Red Hall is on the corner of what is now the Headrow and King Charles Street (including it's forecourt, which is next to the Cock and Bottle.) That puts it under the Schofields Centre, roughly opposite where Beatties was. So Drapesy is right - you can see Red Hall in the background of the Cock and Bottle picture. I think Drapesy mentions Red Hall being to the right of the cock and bottle not in the background. Attached is a modern map of where I reakon it was.... Any ideas???? If it was where Beaties was then this was quite a bit further down from the Headrow/ Guildford Street and I guess that it must have been a pretty deep building

LS1 · Post by **LS1** » Wed 19 Dec, 2007 12:49 pm

Here is what was on the right of the Cock and Bottle Inn. I dont think it was Red Hall, but it certails was post Schofields taking over the Cock and Bottle. What a menagerie of buildings cobbled together!

Si · Post by Si » Wed 19 Dec, 2007 12:53 pm

Red Hall was to the right of the Cock and Bottle, as viewed. Schofield's in LS1's pic was built on this site. The actual front elevation (Drapesy's pic) was set back from Guildford Street, and had a yard in front of it, flanked by outbuildings. The other two shots show the same view (the rear,) looking up the side of Red Hall along King Charles Street, but taken years apart. The road along the back has been lost at some point, but on my map, there was a walled garden/driveway on this site, and King Charles Croft was a little further south. The buildings in the distance are the front outbuildings I mentioned. Guildford Street is beyond. Beatties was to the left and a bit further down of this view. I'll try and put the map on here if I can.

Si · Post by Si » Wed 19 Dec, 2007 1:06 pm

Hope this works. 1847 map coming up, hopefully.1. is shot of Cock & Bottle. 2. is shot of front of Red Hall (where Schofield's is in LS1's pic.) 3. & 4. are the rear views taken at different dates.Didn't work!!! [Edit: see below.]

LS1 · Post by **LS1** » Wed 19 Dec, 2007 1:12 pm

Si wrote: Red Hall was to the right of the Cock and Bottle, as viewed. Schofield's in LS1's pic was built on this site. The actual front elevation (Drapesy's pic) was set back from Guildford Street, and had a yard in front of it, flanked by outbuildings. The other two shots show the same view (the rear,) looking up the side of Red Hall along King Charles Street, but taken years apart. The road along the back has been lost at some point, but on my map, there was a walled garden/driveway on this site, and King Charles Croft was a little further south. The buildings in the distance are the front outbuildings I mentioned. Guildford Street is beyond. Beatties was to the left and a bit further down of this view. I'll try and put the map on here if I can. Si, dont know whether I am losing it here or what but the last pic I have posted here clearly shows the building to the right of the cock and bottle (which incedentally has already been taken over and re-fronted by Schofields) - Is this Red Hall as it doesnt look like it, what with those extra side wing like structures. Also the windows are a different shape to those of Red Hall.

Si · Post by Si » Wed 19 Dec, 2007 1:22 pm

Hi LS1,The pic with Schofields is a later picture. Originally there was an open courtyard flanked by outbuildings opening onto Guildford Street. Red Hall itself is set back behind where Schofields is. This is according to the 1847 map (which I can't get to load on here, but will try again. All will become clear then, I hope!)

LS1 · Post by **LS1** » Wed 19 Dec, 2007 1:45 pm

Si wrote: Hi LS1,The pic with Schofields is a later picture. Originally there was an open courtyard flanked by outbuildings opening onto Guildford Street. Red Hall itself is set back behind where Schofields is. This is according to the 1847 map (which I can't get to load on here, but will try again. All will become clear then, I hope!) I gets it now. Th building seen here was build in front of Red Hall. Map attached clearly shows it...

Si · Post by Si » Wed 19 Dec, 2007 1:48 pm

That's it.Aha... it worked!!!It's interesting to compare the two maps. Notice how the bowling green on the old map is still an open space in 1847.