Burley Bar Stone - and the rest

polo · Post by **polo** » Wed 23 Jan, 2013 10:08 am

Yeah couldnt agree more. even more shocking how good condition the north one is in which makes it hard to believe theyre that old.I put a link on this thread before revealing the location (supposedly) it was someones project like a tour guide explaining all the locations. i think that the south bar (would be near leeds bridge) and wooodhouse bar stone (would be somewhere in vicinity of wormald row) but believe that these no longer exist.

Jogon · Post by **Jogon** » Wed 23 Jan, 2013 10:19 am

North Bar (pub) New Briggate have had tours showing people where the North Bar Stone 'is', only it's not where they think.

polo · Post by **polo** » Wed 23 Jan, 2013 10:23 am

Aha so its not on the corner then. dosent surprise me in the least that the official tours/guides know less than SL'rs

Post by **chameleon** » Wed 23 Jan, 2013 12:11 pm

North Bar is I believe still hidden in the facade at the top of what was the staircase down to the West Yorkshire bus station on Vicar Lane. South Bar is still vissible at Leeds Bridge isn't it?This recently came to light:'Sir Thomas Gresham with the Charter of the Royal Exchange in London of which he was the founder. (Above Gresham's head was the carving - 'West bar'.).'Relating to the former Royal Exchange House at City Square.

Jogon · Post by **Jogon** » Wed 23 Jan, 2013 12:20 pm

I've never seen South Bar, gizza location and I'll have a skeg, thanks.I thought only Leeds & Holbec BSoc+ North (hidden) + East (Parish Church) survive.Audit of current locations welcome.[image dead link]

Post by **chameleon** » Wed 23 Jan, 2013 1:00 pm

Jogon, your drawing looks to be accurate to my understanding. Looking on street view, I don't see the South stone - it was I'm sure reported on SL (some time ago perhaps), possibly by Cardiearms.If you look on streetview and locate thold Bus Station frontage on Vicar Lane, now an assortment of pseudo loan companies and similar, behind the phone box you will see what two pillars in the wall capped with square stones (now bright orange!). This was I believe the top of the staircase downwards. To the imediate right is a placard promoting logbook loans - the North Bar stone was located behind this if I have my bearing right . edit - Come across this:http://www.leodis.net/display.aspx?reso ... SPLAY=FULL More editing - I'm wrong above, I think the entrance was to the extreme left of the facade?? Somebody help?Now wondering if the stone was/is where I state or further to the left - must go take a look and try to jog(on) my memory!

Tasa · Post by **Tasa** » Wed 23 Jan, 2013 2:34 pm

Chameleon, here's a Leodis photo of the bus station showing where the entrance was. Your second thought was correct - it's at the extreme left.http://www.leodis.org/display.aspx?reso ... Y=FULLIt's funny how all our memories are slightly different, but I thought the stone was in the wall directly behind where the three boys are walking in the photo (I think this may already have been said further up this thread by someone else).Incidentally, on the 1847 Alan Godfrey map, the original location of the North bar stone is shown directly opposite the bottom of Harrison Street, which would place it directly at what was to beome the entrance to the bus station, next to the Hellenic.I don't think the South bar boundary stone exists any more, or at least not in situ, as the area where it is marked on old maps has been completely flattened and remodelled. According to the 1847 map, it would have been approximately where the crane is in this Google Street View:http://goo.gl/maps/vePev

Post by **chameleon** » Wed 23 Jan, 2013 2:47 pm

Tasa wrote: Chameleon, here's a Leodis photo of the bus station showing where the entrance was. Your second thought was correct - it's at the extreme left.http://www.leodis.org/display.aspx?reso ... Y=FULLIt's funny how all our memories are slightly different, but I thought the stone was in the wall directly behind where the three boys are walking in the photo (I think this may already have been said further up this thread by someone else).Incidentally, on the 1847 Alan Godfrey map, the original location of the North bar stone is shown directly opposite the bottom of Harrison Street, which would place it directly at what was to beome the entrance to the bus station, next to the Hellenic.I don't think the South bar boundary stone exists any more, or at least not in situ, as the area where it is marked on old maps has been completely flattened and remodelled. According to the 1847 map, it would have been approximately where the crane is in this Google Street View:http://goo.gl/maps/vePev It was finding that entry on Leodis (not much for the bus station is there?) which started to cut through my grey fog and indeed your mention of the Hellenic rings true - I think you are right - ah well, what's 20m between friends eh?? My memory of the South Bar is in keeping with the position marked on Jogon's plan too. Maybe a late night expedition to rip-off those false frontages and check?

LS1 · Post by **LS1** » Wed 23 Jan, 2013 10:11 pm

the only place it can be is where the old bus station meets the building the hellenik is housed in. It is not behind the wooden board on the corner, I know I have looked behind it and its just blank. Look at the photo from the 1930s of the chap cementing it into the new (as was then) bus station. The brick type matches exactly that position which is not seen anywhere else on the siteIt is impossible that the photo is printed the wrong way otherwise the words would be in mirror image.Short of ripping the existing facade away I don't know how else to prove this to you all!

Tasa · Post by **Tasa** » Wed 23 Jan, 2013 10:30 pm

LS1 wrote: the only place it can be is where the old bus station meets the building the hellenik is housed in. It is not behind the wooden board on the corner, I know I have looked behind it and its just blank. Look at the photo from the 1930s of the chap cementing it into the new (as was then) bus station. The brick type matches exactly that position which is not seen anywhere else on the siteIt is impossible that the photo is printed the wrong way otherwise the words would be in mirror image.Short of ripping the existing facade away I don't know how else to prove this to you all! I don't think anyone now believes that the stone is behind the wooden board, as you explained that you looked behind it a while back. We all seem to agree that it's on the "straight" bit of Vicar Lane, not the oblique "edge" of the old bus station.I think the use of the word "facade" or "false frontages" now refers to the false frontages of the shops which have been built over the original brick wall which were the bus station entrance and shops.Don't go vandalising the place and getting arrested, otherwise you may not make the 6th birthday bash in February!