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Post by **tyke bhoy** » Thu 05 Jun, 2014 9:37 am

cnosni wrote: Looked at the planning app and noticed its Leeds Brewery who are doing it. Considering they own the excellent Crowd of Favours,which is very nearby, could they be possibly encroaching on their own business and as a result could they start getting a bit like teh recently gone bust Anthonys restaurant chain.If anything they would have been better off opening something at the top of town, say taking over the old Guilford, and thus giving them (and Leeds) a better spread of their pubs. The Northern Monkey (The Guilford ) is only slightly further away from the White Swan than this will be from Crowd of Favours so same problem there but with the exception of the Swan Leeds Brewery do seem keen on being close to the riverbank.But I agree I too was surprised that Leeds Brewery would want to open up so close to Crowd of Favours particularly when the "RealAle" trade is also more than adequately also served in the proximity by the Palace and Duck and Drake (for those brave enough to venture in )

simong · Post by **simong** » Thu 05 Jun, 2014 11:23 am

tyke bhoy wrote: But I agree I too was surprised that Leeds Brewery would want to open up so close to Crowd of Favours particularly when the "RealAle" trade is also more than adequately also served in the proximity by the Palace and Duck and Drake (for those brave enough to venture in ) That could be the point, perhaps they're planning something that looks more 'traditional'. They're clearly developing an estate and trying to appeal to as many drinkers as they can. That said I was rather surprised to find the Brewery Tap almost empty at 1pm on Thursday last week - I know it's basically a station pub but I would have thought it did well for lunchtime food - the menu looked great.

Jogon · Post by **Jogon** » Thu 05 Jun, 2014 1:09 pm

If someone suggested we meet in the Northern Monkey or the Crowd of Favours I would have absolutely no idea what they were talking about.The Guildford = Headrow; White Swan = Call LaneAt risk of sounding like an old **rt, I'm not keen on the current trend towards 'this years new bar name'.Leodian discovered the wonderfully named 'Old Parrot Hotel' which used to be junction Call Lane/ The Calls.[Edit - is crowd of favours what used to be the big green fish & chip shop & before that the ex army store?]

Steve Jones · Post by **Steve Jones** » Thu 05 Jun, 2014 1:38 pm

Jogon wrote: [Edit - is crowd of favours what used to be the big green fish & chip shop & before that the ex army store?] yes,that's the place.Actually quite good inside.Apart from real ale they specialise in gin having an extensive range.Not my tipple but interesting range of Gins.Much better than "Friends of Ham" near the brewery tap which is very pretencious and crowded!

Post by **cnosni** » Thu 05 Jun, 2014 3:13 pm

Steve Jones wrote: Jogon wrote: [Edit - is crowd of favours what used to be the big green fish & chip shop & before that the ex army store?] yes,that's the place.Actually quite good inside.Apart from real ale they specialise in gin having an extensive range.Not my tipple but interesting range of Gins.Much better than "Friends of Ham" near the brewery tap which is very pretencious and crowded! Pretencious and crowded full of people daft enough to pay £7 a pint.The Swan that that Tyke Bhoy refers to is the pub behind/adjoining to the City Varieties.I see that pub more as a theatre bar/ Briggate alley type affair, somewhere near the Guilford would compete with Park Row bars/The Victoria/ Mr Foleys and at the extreme the Town Hall Tavern for a the Real Ale trade.Looking at the Church Row development, given the outdoor and balcony element, it looks like they are punting at the Palaces trade as well as the Aire Bar (or whatever its called).Whichever one they do think they are going to compete against it must also be at the expense of their own Crowd of Favours trade, which could well mean they will eventually have to choose between one and the other as it isnt exactly the busiest end of town.The number of Real Ale houses in Leeds is certainly on the up, what with the Griffin/Bar Censa reopening as a Victorian style pub, the Tap opposite, the Brewery Tap on New Station Street, Friends of Ham and all the others mentioned (Town Hall Tavern is now a Timmy Taylors) and perhaps the Crown and Fleece (though a take away in the planning for that development does not bode well for such an establishment) may also become a Real Ale haunt.Brew Dog is also behind the Corn Exchange, The Hop in the dark arches and i suppose we could count the North Bar with its imported range of beers as well.Good times for decent beer drinkers

Leodian · Post by **Leodian** » Thu 05 Jun, 2014 8:44 pm

Jogon wrote: If someone suggested we meet in the Northern Monkey or the Crowd of Favours I would have absolutely no idea what they were talking about.The Guildford = Headrow; White Swan = Call LaneAt risk of sounding like an old **rt, I'm not keen on the current trend towards 'this years new bar name'.Leodian discovered the wonderfully named 'Old Parrot Hotel' which used to be junction Call Lane/ The Calls.[Edit - is crowd of favours what used to be the big green fish & chip shop & before that the ex army store?] Talking of pub/inn names I recently spotted a 'Boy and Barrel' Inn on an 1850 and an 1891 map in the Old-Maps UK website and a very modern sounding name 'Shades' P.H. nearby on the 1891 map. Both were roughly where the Victoria Quarter is now. The 'Boy and Barrel Inn' was by a 'Boy and Barrel Yard'.

Jogon · Post by **Jogon** » Thu 05 Jun, 2014 9:57 pm

Crowd of Favours risks taking out the Duck & Drake?D&D kept the faith / burned the candle for real ale etc, so, I've lost my train of thought there, goodnight.

uncle mick · Post by **uncle mick** » Thu 05 Jun, 2014 10:16 pm

Jogon wrote: Crowd of Favours risks taking out the Duck & Drake?D&D kept the faith / burned the candle for real ale etc, so, I've lost my train of thought there, goodnight. Crowd of Favours & the D&D are like chalk & cheese, personally I like them both but that's what we need more diversity if that's the correct word

Bruno · Post by **Bruno** » Thu 05 Jun, 2014 11:10 pm

Leodian wrote: Talking of pub/inn names I recently spotted a 'Boy and Barrel' Inn on an 1850 and an 1891 map in the Old-Maps UK website and a very modern sounding name 'Shades' P.H. nearby on the 1891 map. Both were roughly where the Victoria Quarter is now. The 'Boy and Barrel Inn' was by a 'Boy and Barrel Yard'. http://tinyurl.com/ohqlkkzThe Boy and Barrel, Leo.

Leodian · Post by **Leodian** » Fri 06 Jun, 2014 12:19 am

Bruno wrote: Leodian wrote: Talking of pub/inn names I recently spotted a 'Boy and Barrel' Inn on an 1850 and an 1891 map in the Old-Maps UK website and a very modern sounding name 'Shades' P.H. nearby on the 1891 map. Both were roughly where the Victoria Quarter is now. The 'Boy and Barrel Inn' was by a 'Boy and Barrel Yard'. http://tinyurl.com/ohqlkkzThe Boy and Barrel, Leo. Cheers for that link Bruno. I like the "The Providence coach to Thorp Arch ran from the Boot and Shoe every Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday from 1835 to 1844". It's such snippets of information that makes the Leodis website so interesting.