Mystery Tower

Brandy · Post by **Brandy** » Mon 26 Apr, 2010 10:31 pm

chameleon wrote: Brandy wrote: Anyone know whats gone wrong with oldmaps.co.uk ??Is it just me or has it gone belly up? Seems ok now - asking the obvious, not looking at a 2500 scale which don't zoom? Its alright now.I kept getting errors earlier for some reason???

The Parksider · Post by **The Parksider** » Mon 26 Apr, 2010 10:58 pm

After all this intelligent banter, now for the dumb question merchant.The "saved" stone building on the old central station site was referred across to a thread where it was called a wagon hoist.I remember some years back walking up to the building pictured and it had a placque on it commemorating it as a bonding warehouse.Why it stood so tall I was not sure.Anyhow on the Godfrey map of 1847 its not there and on the 1906 Holbeck Godfrey it's there again marked as a bonding warehouse.Was it a bonding warehouse with a wagon hoist??.Why am I confused???

Post by **chameleon** » Mon 26 Apr, 2010 11:16 pm

jim wrote: Interesting stuff Chameleon, but it doesn't tell us what was on the site before the 1863 building. Rapkin's map of 1850 shows a building on the same footprint.I know, I'm clutching at straws! Nonetheless, the other features identified as inconsistent with the 1849 OS dating are capable of rational explanation for their presence/lack of presence, and I would hate to lose my faith in the OS. So---what building did occupy the site? Is an older "Queens Hotel" out of the question? Will the Bishops open Joanna Southcotts Box? Will Jim ever shut up?!!And hasn't anyone a comment on the nice clear picture of the Mystery Tower that the YEP published on page five of today's paper? By the way, you can zoom the 2500 scale old-maps by doing the zoom on the 10560 scales and transferring across. You can do zis only vunce........ yes it mimics the zoom when switching but, once there you can't alter without going back. Don't know what was there before....

Post by **chameleon** » Mon 26 Apr, 2010 11:19 pm

The Parksider wrote: After all this intelligent banter, now for the dumb question merchant.The "saved" stone building on the old central station site was referred across to a thread where it was called a wagon hoist.I remember some years back walking up to the building pictured and it had a placque on it commemorating it as a bonding warehouse.Why it stood so tall I was not sure.Anyhow on the Godfrey map of 1847 its not there and on the 1906 Holbeck Godfrey it's there again marked as a bonding warehouse.Was it a bonding warehouse with a wagon hoist??.Why am I confused??? Always seen it shown as one of a pair unequivicabley regarded as wagon hoists. Story goes that it was intended to preserve the pair but only one was listed thus the second met the inevitable fate.

The Parksider · Post by **The Parksider** » Mon 26 Apr, 2010 11:25 pm

chameleon wrote: The Parksider wrote: After all this intelligent banter, now for the dumb question merchant.The "saved" stone building on the old central station site was referred across to a thread where it was called a wagon hoist.I remember some years back walking up to the building pictured and it had a placque on it commemorating it as a bonding warehouse.Why it stood so tall I was not sure.Anyhow on the Godfrey map of 1847 its not there and on the 1906 Holbeck Godfrey it's there again marked as a bonding warehouse.Was it a bonding warehouse with a wagon hoist??.Why am I confused??? Always seen it shown as one of a pair unequivicabley regarded as wagon hoists. Story goes that it was intended to preserve the pair but only one was listed thus the second met the inevitable fate. If you have the Holbeck Godfrey you will see the bonding warehouse marked - This seems to be the right building?

jim · Post by **jim** » Mon 26 Apr, 2010 11:28 pm

Hi Parksider. The bonding warehouse is the building adjacent to Northern Street on the 1906 map. Adjoining it to the south west is the LNWR & L&Y Goods Warehouse. The two smaller structures at the west end of this warehouse were.the wagon hoists, and the northernmost is the surviving hoist tower. Further south west between the main station approach tracks and Whitehall road, opposite Whitehall Mills was yet another hoist tower, of slightly later date. Each tower held two hoists, working in balanced tandem. Hope this clears things up for you.

The Parksider · Post by **The Parksider** » Mon 26 Apr, 2010 11:39 pm

jim wrote: Hi Parksider. The bonding warehouse is the building adjacent to Northern Street on the 1906 map. Adjoining it to the south west is the LNWR & L&Y Goods Warehouse. The two smaller structures at the west end of this warehouse were.the wagon hoists, and the northernmost is the surviving hoist tower. Further south west between the main station approach tracks and Whitehall road, opposite Whitehall Mills was yet another hoist tower, of slightly later date. Each tower held two hoists, working in balanced tandem. Hope this clears things up for you. Hiya Jim,Yes you can easily trace the exact position of the bonding warehouse using the north end of Northern Street.The ""preserved"" building wasn't in that position. Yes Jim thanks for pointing out the ""preserved"" building was more to the south west.Looks to me like they mixed up the wagon hoist building with the Bonding warehouse. It definately was marked as a bonding warehouse by historical info signage but it never looked like one with it's three floors!!

jim · Post by **jim** » Tue 27 Apr, 2010 12:39 am

Railway Bonding Warehouses often ran to three or four floors, but had a floor plan rather larger in area than the hoist towers! I think that the Wellington Street one ( the whole yard was always so referred by railwaymen ) had four floors, whilst the ones at Hunslet Lane ( junction of Kidacre Street and Junction Street ) had three floors and a cellar if my memory is working properly. Great places to work, almost monastically sedate and quiet. I don't know of others in Leeds, (railway ones I mean ) but there were a few in Bradford.

chemimike · Post by **chemimike** » Tue 27 Apr, 2010 1:57 am

I took some pictures of the Wellington station area in the 70s, but unfortunately lost all the notes in a sewage flood so have difficulty identifying them all. However the two lifting towers show up well here:http://s431.photobucket.com/albums/qq38 ... 24A.jpgand am I right in assuming that this is the bonded warehouse?http://s431.photobucket.com/albums/qq38 ... nt=21A.jpg

The Parksider · Post by **The Parksider** » Tue 27 Apr, 2010 8:31 am

chemimike wrote: I took some pictures of the Wellington station area in the 70s, but unfortunately lost all the notes in a sewage flood so have difficulty identifying them all. However the two lifting towers show up well here:http://s431.photobucket.com/albums/qq38 ... 24A.jpgand am I right in assuming that this is the bonded warehouse?http://s431.photobucket.com/albums/qq38 ... nt=21A.jpg Blooming 'eck Mike!!I take it you mean the station ON Wellington street in the caption i.e. central station.GREAT photographs.