A very old Establishment down the Skulls head yard (Part 1)

Tasa · Post by **Tasa** » Thu 20 Sep, 2012 9:09 pm

Jogon wrote: I'm new to this thread. Have seen lot o' mentions of it.Yet as recently as yesterday, mate with the (1990) book and me were still thinking that if we wandered round the back streets of K'gate we'd find them Yeah going to put the kettle on then settle down and read this + some underground ones.I need the 'fresh set of eyes' mentioned. Jogon, you might also find this thread interesting, as it grouped together all the reference material and photos we had at the time:http://www.secretleeds.co.uk/forum/Mess ... ghLight=1I have great memories of the Skulls thread as it led to my meeting several Secret Leeds members in real life

Phill_dvsn · Post by **Phill_dvsn** » Thu 20 Sep, 2012 9:19 pm

Tasa wrote: I have great memories of the Skulls thread as it led to my meeting several Secret Leeds members in real life Yes a few beers in the Palace too, plus we met Brandy as well, think he'd been in there all night and didn't know it was us.. A character and a half

Tasa · Post by **Tasa** » Thu 20 Sep, 2012 9:30 pm

Phill_dvsn wrote: Tasa wrote: I have great memories of the Skulls thread as it led to my meeting several Secret Leeds members in real life Yes a few beers in the Palace too, plus we met Brandy as well, think he'd been in there all night and didn't know it was us.. A character and a half Digressing temporarily from the Skulls, yes, it was a great night out following an afternoon looking at maps and Kelly's Directories in the Reference Library!I miss Brandy and his sense of humour (and popcorn and lines to draw under ). He had been sitting outside the Palace and looking for us all evening and didn't think to approach a group of about 10 of us with maps of Crown Street and Kirkgate spread out all over the tables.... !

Post by **cnosni** » Thu 20 Sep, 2012 11:38 pm

Ive emailed him afew times,but i think he must have changed emails as he hasnt repied and additionally i have been getting SPAM mails from his email address.Im sure that if he knew that the "problems" that we had were all gone im sure he would come back.

Phill_dvsn · Post by **Phill_dvsn** » Thu 20 Sep, 2012 11:40 pm

cnosni wrote: Ive emailed him afew times,but i think he must have changed emails as he hasnt repied and additionally i have been getting SPAM mails from his email address.Im sure that if he knew that the "problems" that we had were all gone im sure he would come back. Yes same here, he spammed me too, and I got no reply back either

Jogon · Post by **Jogon** » Fri 21 Sep, 2012 3:11 pm

The item mentioned earlier.

Si · Post by Si » Fri 21 Sep, 2012 3:40 pm

Thanks, Jogon. I think that's from the Leeds Past book, isn't it?

Jogon · Post by **Jogon** » Fri 21 Sep, 2012 8:41 pm

Images of Leeds 1850 -1960 @ p19Peter Brears , Breedon Books c City of Leeds Museum 1992

Si · Post by Si » Sat 22 Sep, 2012 9:41 pm

Yep. I was getting my books mixed up!

Si · Post by Si » Thu 27 Sep, 2012 2:44 pm

I can't remember if we've looked at this before, but I found it on t'interweb today, on the Diocese of Leeds website, with reference to Leeds' St Anne's Catholic Cathedral."One day in May 1598 two men were travelling together to York. One was Fr. Peter Snow, his companion was Ralph Grimston. Very soon both would be venerated as members of that noble company of English Martyrs who gave their lives for the Faith during the 16th and 17th centuries. Peter Snow belonged to a prominent family in Ripon where his father, Matthew Snow had been Wakeman in 1545. Some years later Peter Snow was among a group of people accused of refusing to conform to the established church. He was probably the same Peter Snow who was admitted to the English College, then in Rheims, France in 1589 and was ordained priest in 1591. Six weeks later he set off for England and returned to Yorkshire. Ralph Grimston was a gentleman of good family from Nidd in the West Riding. He was a staunch Catholic and it seems that most of his estate was eventually forfeit to the Crown as a result of his refusal to conform to the Church of England. He also spent some time imprisoned in York Castle but was back in Nidd in 1598. Now he was accompanying Fr. Peter Snow to York when they were arrested on their way. Fr. Snow was convicted of treason as a Seminary priest, and Ralph Grimston of felony for assisting him. They were martyred in York on the Knavesmire on 15 June 1598. Afterwards their severed heads were impaled on spikes and exposed in the town as a warning to all. Our story now moves on nearly two hundred and fifty years. In 1845 two human skulls were discovered under the stone floor of the ancient chapel of Hazlewood Castle, near Tadcaster. At the time they were thought to be relics of two other English martyrs, John Lockwood and Edmund Catherick and the skulls were placed in a niche near the altar. In 1909 however, Dom Hildebrand Lane Fox, who had access to local tradition, stated that they were the relics of Peter Snow and Ralph Grimston. This identification was accepted and the skulls remained in their niche, now fronted with glass. In 1968, after the Carmelites had bought Hazlewood, the skulls were removed for forensic examination. They were found to be of male adults, consistent with types found in the North of England in the 16th and 17th centuries. Both skulls had been impaled on a sharp object and the estimated age of the two victims ruled out the earlier attribution to John Lockwood and Edmund Catherick. It would however support the tradition that they were the relics of Peter Snow and Ralph Grimston. The investigation found that the evidence available led to the conclusion that the skulls could safely be regarded as belonging to these two Martyrs. An ancient tradition requires that relics of martyrs should be placed within every altar. It is surely fitting that the Altar of our Cathedral Church should enshrine venerable relics of Martyrs not only from our own country but also from our own county of Yorkshire. These moving reminders of less happy times still encourage us with their powerful witness to constancy, faithfulness and commitment."I wonder if there's a link?