A grade 2 listed building for sale next to the Parish Church.
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Croggy1 wrote: http://www.insidermedia.com/insider/yor ... 115797-The grade II-listed 1 Church Row, located next to Leeds Parish Church, was originally a public house in the 19th century and the proposed refurbishment will be returning it to its previous use. The building was operated as The Royal Oak Inn in the 19th century and the Thirteen Bells was also listed on the site in 1851. They've confused two different premises.The Thirteen Bells was a colloquial name, officially it was known as the Ring O'Bells and was located at Church Row, Hunslet, not Church Row, Kirkgate.The Royal Oak Kirkgate - variously recorded as Church Row, Kirkgate and High Court Lane, ceased to be a pub in 1876. Its last licensee, Edwin Farrar had several run-ins with the police in that year. He was convicted on 7th March for "Permitting thieves to assemble on the premises" and was fined 10 shillings plus costs. On 28th September he was convicted of "Permitting drunkenness in the premises on the 23rd of that month" and fined £10 plus costs or two months imprisonment -presumably he paid the fine.The following day, at an adjourned session of the Licensing Committee, the renewal of the license was refused.On 16th October Mr Farrar lodged an appeal at the Wakefield Sessions. His appeal was dismissed with costs.The Licensing register does not record the date of the closure or if it came into effect immediately the appeal was dismissed.The Ring O'Bells, Church Row, Hunslet, lasted only 10 years longer, its license not having been applied for at the February 1887 Licensing Sessions.
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liits wrote: Croggy1 wrote: http://www.insidermedia.com/insider/yor ... 115797-The grade II-listed 1 Church Row, located next to Leeds Parish Church, was originally a public house in the 19th century and the proposed refurbishment will be returning it to its previous use. The building was operated as The Royal Oak Inn in the 19th century and the Thirteen Bells was also listed on the site in 1851. They've confused two different premises.The Thirteen Bells was a colloquial name, officially it was known as the Ring O'Bells and was located at Church Row, Hunslet, not Church Row, Kirkgate.The Royal Oak Kirkgate - variously recorded as Church Row, Kirkgate and High Court Lane, ceased to be a pub in 1876. Its last licensee, Edwin Farrar had several run-ins with the police in that year. He was convicted on 7th March for "Permitting thieves to assemble on the premises" and was fined 10 shillings plus costs. On 28th September he was convicted of "Permitting drunkenness in the premises on the 23rd of that month" and fined £10 plus costs or two months imprisonment -presumably he paid the fine.The following day, at an adjourned session of the Licensing Committee, the renewal of the license was refused.On 16th October Mr Farrar lodged an appeal at the Wakefield Sessions. His appeal was dismissed with costs.The Licensing register does not record the date of the closure or if it came into effect immediately the appeal was dismissed.The Ring O'Bells, Church Row, Hunslet, lasted only 10 years longer, its license not having been applied for at the February 1887 Licensing Sessions. liits - Looking at the 1881 Census there does appear to be a "13 Bells Inn" at 6 Church Row Kirkgate
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LS1 wrote: The interesting thing about this building is that they are the last Georgian workers cottages in Leeds. Hello LS1 and all......As a working class monument it interests me and I have read many times it is "Georgian Workers Cottages". But it looks nothing like "cottages" and the idea it was an old pub seems more feasible.I am interested in Phils piccy of a row of old houses knocked down behind the existing grade 11 premises. Now they DO look like georgian cottages???Any definitive ideas? is there shome mishtake?
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uncle mick wrote: liits - Looking at the 1881 Census there does appear to be a "13 Bells Inn" at 6 Church Row Kirkgate Indeed, you are correct. My mistake [I'll need to go back and check a few other things for High Court Lane now].The Jackson Foster mentioned in the census had previously been the licensee of the Trafalgar Inn, Meadow Lane.The Richard Grantham who is mentioned in the newspaper cutting only stayed a little over six months. If to was such a respectable house, I wonder why he sold up?
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The Parksider wrote: LS1 wrote: The interesting thing about this building is that they are the last Georgian workers cottages in Leeds. Hello LS1 and all......As a working class monument it interests me and I have read many times it is "Georgian Workers Cottages". But it looks nothing like "cottages" and the idea it was an old pub seems more feasible.I am interested in Phils piccy of a row of old houses knocked down behind the existing grade 11 premises. Now they DO look like georgian cottages???Any definitive ideas? is there shome mishtake? Pretty sure originally they wouldn't have been rendered and there looks to have been quite a bit of alteration.They were built at the time of the run up to the high points of the industrial revolution, therefore there is not necessarily any rhyme or reason to how speculative property developers built houses back then. No building regs as we know today so often they were just crammed in where there was space with different developers building different types of housing intermingled. Look at Quarry Hill area for example pre QH Flats. There was a real mish-mosh of courts, and streets that were pretty dire in their placement. Having said that you raise a good point Parksider!
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LS1 wrote: The Parksider wrote: LS1 wrote: The interesting thing about this building is that they are the last Georgian workers cottages in Leeds. it looks nothing like "cottages" and the idea it was an old pub seems more feasible. is there shome mishtake? Look at Quarry Hill area for example pre QH Flats. There was a real mish-mosh of courts, and streets that were pretty dire in their placement. Having said that you raise a good point Parksider! I appreciate your reply.Look at old maps 1851 and it shows a different shaped single building, same as the 1890's.By the 1960's it seems to show the building was divided into two, and now it seems one half has been lopped off.It doesn't seem it was ever "cottages" in the sense of a row of individual one up and downs for instance.Anyone able (and willing of course) to show this graphically?
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uncle mick wrote: From the Leeds Mercury April 1878 Mick, you never cease to amaze with what you come up with.I think the Georgian Cottages are the ones Phil pictured.....A mistake is easy to make - I guess it depends whether the derelict building was christened as being "Georgian workers cottages" by some council official with little interest in historical accuracy, or whether it was dubbed such by meticulous local historians like wot we have got on here in abundance.I think it needs a re-think mysen.