Mystery Tower

Si · Post by Si » Tue 20 Apr, 2010 9:19 am

Maybe pin-pointing the tower on the map will make it easier to find on Leodis? I'll have a look.

Si · Post by Si » Tue 20 Apr, 2010 10:35 am

I've tried all sorts of search words on Leodis, but with no luck. (variations of tower/chimney, Whitehall Mills, Whitehall Soap Works, Office Lock, Canal Junction, canal/river, Holbeck Wharf, etc)

jim · Post by **jim** » Mon 26 Apr, 2010 4:01 pm

Just when I'd lost hope of a half-way decent picture of the tower------one turns up in the YEP! In the photo of the Leeds and Liverpool Canal on page 5 of tonight's paper, the tower's two remaining components ( a small outbuilding and a chimney shown on the 1906 map have gone ) are clearly seen. All I want now are photo's of the other three sides, and one of the tower with it's lost subsidiaries---- I know, some people are never satisfied.Now the structure can be seen in all it's glory, can anyone suggest it's purpose?

Post by **chameleon** » Mon 26 Apr, 2010 4:19 pm

jim wrote: Just when I'd lost hope of a half-way decent picture of the tower------one turns up in the YEP! In the photo of the Leeds and Liverpool Canal on page 5 of tonight's paper, the tower's two remaining components ( a small outbuilding and a chimney shown on the 1906 map have gone ) are clearly seen. All I want now are photo's of the other three sides, and one of the tower with it's lost subsidiaries---- I know, some people are never satisfied.Now the structure can be seen in all it's glory, can anyone suggest it's purpose? I've transposed Si's findings onto an earlier map and having used the latest aids to man medical science and pysics have to offer ( my reading glasses AND a magnifying glass) I can say that the structre does seem to have been more recent than1863 'cos it's not there then!

jim · Post by **jim** » Mon 26 Apr, 2010 4:45 pm

Hi Chameleon, if you are referring to the 1847 OS map republished by Godfrey there is some disagreement and confusion as to whether or not the copy chosen for issue has or has not been a revised edition. The point at issue is that the Queens Hotel appears in the top RH corner, and a Queens Hotel was built by the Midland Railway in 1863. I know of no other feature on the map has been shown to be of later date than 1847.For what it's worth I am of the belief that the OS is traditionally renowned for it's accuracy in describing in great detail the originating material date for it's surveys, and of any revisions. The reprint reproduces the original's OS title and inscription ,and there is no mention of any revision. I think that one possible explanation of the apparent paradox is that maybe the 1863 hotel replaced another, similarly named, and occupying much or more of the earlier footprint.Not that any of this helps with my query, but it's lots of fun discussing things we don't understand!

Brandy · Post by **Brandy** » Mon 26 Apr, 2010 8:05 pm

Anyone know whats gone wrong with oldmaps.co.uk ??Is it just me or has it gone belly up?

jim · Post by **jim** » Mon 26 Apr, 2010 8:31 pm

I found I cold get maps displayed, but could not enlarge them to see detail this afternoon. Was that your experience?

Post by **chameleon** » Mon 26 Apr, 2010 8:34 pm

jim wrote: Hi Chameleon, if you are referring to the 1847 OS map republished by Godfrey there is some disagreement and confusion as to whether or not the copy chosen for issue has or has not been a revised edition. The point at issue is that the Queens Hotel appears in the top RH corner, and a Queens Hotel was built by the Midland Railway in 1863. I know of no other feature on the map has been shown to be of later date than 1847.For what it's worth I am of the belief that the OS is traditionally renowned for it's accuracy in describing in great detail the originating material date for it's surveys, and of any revisions. The reprint reproduces the original's OS title and inscription ,and there is no mention of any revision. I think that one possible explanation of the apparent paradox is that maybe the 1863 hotel replaced another, similarly named, and occupying much or more of the earlier footprint.Not that any of this helps with my query, but it's lots of fun discussing things we don't understand! Jim, the first Queens Hotel was built in 1863 occupying the same site as now.Just to confirm how seriously we all take things (aka mad as hatters - but you know that!) - have a look at this for background....http://www.secretleeds.co.uk/forum/Mess ... Light=1The map in question is sheet 14, Leeds STations, 1847 - 1863 so if revised should as it does, show the hotel.

Post by **chameleon** » Mon 26 Apr, 2010 8:38 pm

Brandy wrote: Anyone know whats gone wrong with oldmaps.co.uk ??Is it just me or has it gone belly up? Seems ok now - asking the obvious, not looking at a 2500 scale which don't zoom?

jim · Post by **jim** » Mon 26 Apr, 2010 9:06 pm

Interesting stuff Chameleon, but it doesn't tell us what was on the site before the 1863 building. Rapkin's map of 1850 shows a building on the same footprint.I know, I'm clutching at straws! Nonetheless, the other features identified as inconsistent with the 1849 OS dating are capable of rational explanation for their presence/lack of presence, and I would hate to lose my faith in the OS. So---what building did occupy the site? Is an older "Queens Hotel" out of the question? Will the Bishops open Joanna Southcotts Box? Will Jim ever shut up?!!And hasn't anyone a comment on the nice clear picture of the Mystery Tower that the YEP published on page five of today's paper? By the way, you can zoom the 2500 scale old-maps by doing the zoom on the 10560 scales and transferring across. You can do zis only vunce........