Windmill Hill, Pudsey

Post by **chameleon** » Fri 16 Apr, 2010 11:38 am

Si wrote: chameleon wrote: Cardiarms wrote: Maybe the bouncy bit hadn't been fitted, sport on TV, cold beer, afternoon nap? Assuming the east and west portals are the wooded areas seen on Google Earth?? - placing a straight edge against the screen suggest the shaft would be above the feature in question and from determining the likely positions of the old field lines to place the shaft, I do suspect it to be under the garage buildings as stated earlier. The western portal is easy to find (follow the line of the embankment on Google Earth - the portal itself is now heavily overgrown) and the eastern portal is by the Station Road/Greenside junction. Although shown on maps as dead straight, the tunnel has a slight curve, but the ends can be seen from each other. Both the garages and the circular feature are more or less along the tunnel's alignment. The 1908 map (see above) shows the shaft on top of a spoil-heap created during the construction of the tunnel. This was somewhat landscaped over when the mock-Georgian 70s houses were built there. Looking at Phill's view from below, maybe worrying if it is built on - is the cap simply timber I wonder??

Si · Post by Si » Fri 16 Apr, 2010 11:42 am

It does look like timber in Phill's photo, doesn't it? But it could be concrete with the impression of timber shuttering on it?If the garages are built on top, they have concrete bases anyway.Uncle Norman didn't like parking his car there, though!

Post by **chameleon** » Fri 16 Apr, 2010 11:47 am

Si wrote: It does look like timber in Phill's photo, doesn't it? But it could be concrete with the impression of timber shuttering on it?If the garages are built on top, they have concrete bases anyway.Uncle Norman didn't like parking his car there, though! Beat the traffic jams taking that route though, eh Si

Si · Post by Si » Fri 16 Apr, 2010 11:50 am

chameleon wrote: Si wrote: It does look like timber in Phill's photo, doesn't it? But it could be concrete with the impression of timber shuttering on it?If the garages are built on top, they have concrete bases anyway.Uncle Norman didn't like parking his car there, though! Beat the traffic jams taking that route though, eh Si Yeah, if he could negotiate the tight bend at the bottom of the shaft, with no brakes!!!

Post by **chameleon** » Fri 16 Apr, 2010 11:53 am

Si wrote: chameleon wrote: Si wrote: It does look like timber in Phill's photo, doesn't it? But it could be concrete with the impression of timber shuttering on it?If the garages are built on top, they have concrete bases anyway.Uncle Norman didn't like parking his car there, though! Beat the traffic jams taking that route though, eh Si Yeah, if he could negotiate the tight bend at the bottom of the shaft, with no brakes!!! That's were the trampolene would be useful!

Si · Post by Si » Fri 16 Apr, 2010 12:05 pm

chameleon wrote: Si wrote: chameleon wrote: Si wrote: It does look like timber in Phill's photo, doesn't it? But it could be concrete with the impression of timber shuttering on it?If the garages are built on top, they have concrete bases anyway.Uncle Norman didn't like parking his car there, though! Beat the traffic jams taking that route though, eh Si Yeah, if he could negotiate the tight bend at the bottom of the shaft, with no brakes!!! That's were the trampolene would be useful!

Phill_dvsn · Post by **Phill_dvsn** » Fri 16 Apr, 2010 12:07 pm

The shafts are capped off with concrete (they look similar to sleepers) like a prefabricated slab kind of thing. Is the tunnel marked off in a straight line on your map Si? If so you can count it as been pretty innacurate. Which also means the position of the air shaft is wrong on it too. Greenside is curved to the South from the Leeds end. It mentions a curve on these pictures herehttp://www.lostrailwayswestyorkshire.co.uk/Pud ... oop.htmYou look at the steep curve of the line coming from the Lowtown end. The line straightens itself inside the tunnel. Not outside.I guess the guy who did the drawing can't actually plot the course of the tunnel underground (hence the easy straight line)

Post by **chameleon** » Fri 16 Apr, 2010 1:33 pm

Phill_dvsn wrote: The shafts are capped off with concrete (they look similar to sleepers) like a prefabricated slab kind of thing. Is the tunnel marked off in a straight line on your map Si? If so you can count in as been pretty innacurate. Which also means the position of the air shaft is wrong on it too. Greenside is curved to the South from the Leeds end. It mentions a curve on these pictures herehttp://www.lostrailwayswestyorkshire.co.uk/Pud ... oop.htmYou look at the steep curve of the line coming from the Lowtown end. The line straightens itself inside the tunnel. Not outside.I guess the guy who did the drawing can't actually plot the course of the tunnel underground (hence the easy straight line) Every map I've looked at Phill, shows the same straight line but I agree, from the angle of entry of the track compared with the exit - yes it would be a very strange straight line, definately a little Einsteinian bending going on there as time passes

Phill_dvsn · Post by **Phill_dvsn** » Fri 16 Apr, 2010 1:39 pm

This is the curve at the Leeds end, although im not sure how easy it is to judge a curve in a dark tunnel lol http://www.flickr.com/photos/phill_dvsn ... 55996303/A slight curve over a distance sure aligns things different.

Post by **chameleon** » Fri 16 Apr, 2010 2:16 pm

Phill_dvsn wrote: This is the curve at the Leeds end, although im not sure how easy it is to judge a curve in a dark tunnel lol http://www.flickr.com/photos/phill_dvsn ... 55996303/A slight curve over a distance sure aligns things different. I suspect the cartographers might have been understandably nervous about trapsing the place with chuffers round the corner!