TEMPLE MILLS, HOLBECK - PARTIAL COLLAPSE

Phill_dvsn · Post by **Phill_dvsn** » Thu 11 Dec, 2008 4:49 am

Blimey your right about the Y.E.P understatement Chris.It's a bit more damage that one ornate pillar coming down your right.I took a closer look during the night.The full sale damage is clear to see herehttp://www.flickr.com/photos/phill_dvsn/3099547166/

Si · Post by Si » Thu 11 Dec, 2008 9:38 am

Phill_dvsn wrote: Blimey your right about the Y.E.P understatement Chris.It's a bit more damage that one ornate pillar coming down your right.I took a closer look during the night.The full sale damage is clear to see herehttp://www.flickr.com/photos/phill_dvsn/3099547166/ "Brickman" calling:Well done, Phill. "Our man on the spot!"I wonder if the damage to the masonry below the pillar was caused by parts of the roof hitting it from behind, spalling off the front surface? I don't think this was caused by water ingress which froze in the recent cold weather, because it would be unusual for so many stones to go simultaneously after 170 years in just one area. Any sheep fall through?

Si · Post by Si » Thu 11 Dec, 2008 9:40 am

drapesy wrote: Oh Purleease!!!!Im sorry Brandy but :"Stank Hall Barn (Ancient Monument), BeestonStanding 500 yards from the White Rose Centre, this a scheduled ancient monument said to date from 1420 and allegedly rebuilt in 1492 using some of the timber left over from the construction of the Christopher Columbus's ships."this has to be the daftest, craziest most totally ludicrous thing I have seen on Secret Leeds. Think about it for pity's sake !Do you seriously think that in Fifteenth century Britain local craftsmen would not get their wood from, well er, the nearest suitable wood?? oh, no apparently they had it transported 1200 miles(in a Leonardo da Vinci helicopter perhaps) from Palos de la Frontera in south-western Spain!.I wonder where they got the bricks from ? the Hanging Gardens of Babylon???Methinks someone has seen the date of 1492 and let their imagination run riot. I dunno. Every time you turn your back the bloody thing's halfway to the Caribbean!

Glenny3363 · Post by **Glenny3363** » Thu 11 Dec, 2008 12:04 pm

Having just been for a nosey, I would suggest there has been a major failure at the connection where the roof met the upright wall.I will attempt to add a pic which shows that the wall is bowed considerably for 30-40 feet of its length. I suspect as the roof collapsed, it put pressure on the wall causing it to bow, the resultant force has caused the pillar to desintegrate, hence the damage on the individual stones. I could not get any closer but the bowing is easy to see and quite considerable!!any thoughts???

Si · Post by Si » Thu 11 Dec, 2008 12:22 pm

Glenny3363 wrote: Having just been for a nosey, I would suggest there has been a major failure at the connection where the roof met the upright wall.I will attempt to add a pic which shows that the wall is bowed considerably for 30-40 feet of its length. I suspect as the roof collapsed, it put pressure on the wall causing it to bow, the resultant force has caused the pillar to desintegrate, hence the damage on the individual stones. I could not get any closer but the bowing is easy to see and quite considerable!!any thoughts??? It gets worse and worse! Not only will the roof and pillar need repairing, but about six bays are bowed out, and will need rebuilding. Obviously, the failure of the roof has caused the damage to the pillar - not the other way round. Mills were built to be "fire-proof" so the roofs and ceiling beams were made of iron, not wood. The junction between beam and roof must have rusted away. Perhaps the extra weight of melted snow water was the straw that broke the camel's back (sorry about the Egyptian reference!) This means the entire roof may need replacing. The bowing has put extra pressure on the front edge of the stones which have blown, as previously mentioned. If you think about it, there's no way the pillar's capital could fall out from between the parapet and the pillar itself, unless forced out from behind, ie collapsing roof. It would defy the laws of physics!A full rebuild of the roof and wall is gonna cost millions...Someone will decide, using public safety as the issue, that it's cheaper to demolish it, leaving just the smaller, more managable office block. After all, the obelisk chimney has already gone...

Phill_dvsn · Post by **Phill_dvsn** » Thu 11 Dec, 2008 12:58 pm

You can see the amount of bow in the wall on this head on shot.The whole thing looks ready to crash to be honest!http://www.flickr.com/photos/phill_dvsn/3099551338/

simong · Post by **simong** » Thu 11 Dec, 2008 2:17 pm

drapesy wrote: Oh Purleease!!!!Im sorry Brandy but :"Stank Hall Barn (Ancient Monument), BeestonStanding 500 yards from the White Rose Centre, this a scheduled ancient monument said to date from 1420 and allegedly rebuilt in 1492 using some of the timber left over from the construction of the Christopher Columbus's ships."this has to be the daftest, craziest most totally ludicrous thing I have seen on Secret Leeds. Think about it for pity's sake !Do you seriously think that in Fifteenth century Britain local craftsmen would not get their wood from, well er, the nearest suitable wood?? oh, no apparently they had it transported 1200 miles(in a Leonardo da Vinci helicopter perhaps) from Palos de la Frontera in south-western Spain!.I wonder where they got the bricks from ? the Hanging Gardens of Babylon???Methinks someone has seen the date of 1492 and let their imagination run riot. As daft as it seems, think of it the other way around - ships of the time were built of oak, and some of the best oak came from England. Wikipedia says that the wood for Santa Maria came from the Bialoweza Forest in Poland, but there is no provenance for Pinta or Nina, Columbus' other two ships, and all three were at least second hand when Columbus bought them. It's not impossible that wood for the ships was imported from England, and that wood from the same supplier was used for the barn. The year does sound a bit fanciful though, as none of the three ships was actually built in 1492.

Brandy · Post by **Brandy** » Thu 11 Dec, 2008 2:22 pm

Phill_dvsn wrote: You can see the amount of bow in the wall on this head on shot.The whole thing looks ready to crash to be honest!http://www.flickr.com/photos/phill_dvsn/3099551338/ It doesn't look good phill mate great shots by the way!You have managed to cover the full story better than the YEP did, with one shot lol jeebus clist what was that YEP man thinking when he described this??Its a bit like "well he took two full on bullet wounds to the front of his face but he looks alright from the side"lolIts a shame but like Si said i think the council and the P.T.B will go down the public safety route sprinkled with a touch of recent global economy state and go for a demo job WHAT A SHAME ehCouldn't you blag your way in for some inside shots phill??Tell them you have been in more dangerous places and.........................................errrm actually you better not LOL

Phill_dvsn · Post by **Phill_dvsn** » Thu 11 Dec, 2008 2:37 pm

It's amazing how it's just gone bang with no warning isn't it Brandy? You usually get some warning signs, stress fractures e.t.c.The Y.E.P reporter was a little off the mark with the story yes.I guess there will be a a show of worried council officials statements, English heritage and all the big wigs concerened with this kind of thing.Over the next few weeks there will be pledges of this, pledges of that.After Christmas it will all be forgotten about and brushed under the carpet.Just like the York road library, Seaccroft grange e.t.c

simonm · Post by **simonm** » Thu 11 Dec, 2008 2:45 pm

Another wonderful piece of heritage allowed to rot!! LCC should be ashamed of themselves for allowing this to happen. I know they don't own it, but these buildings are part of Leeds history and just allowed to drop to pieces.Such a real shame that we have such a short sighted council.A disgrace if you ask me!!!!!