Barnbow

[chameleon]

All in Keeping (overall) with the UDP liits. I did say that the expectation could be that small sections of the bypass might emerge leaving the only 'logical' course of action then to be to join them all up - discrete piecemeal construction and a road is built before the objections take hold!Similarly, with small sections of housing built over a period of time (still within the approved UDP) the need for the new road will be beyond argument and could then go ahead anyway as a fait accomplae! This would be a simple way to overcome criticism and gently feed in all the proposed development, much of which is wholly reliant upon the new bypass being in place. From the UDP Inspector's reports, 2011 seems to be the year to watch for.Incidentally, your quote about traffic grid lock during the Music Festival this year is quite correct - as far as it goes and is not an argument for the bypass. What is not included and to bring this more into context, is that a major factor contributing to the traffic problems was flooding on parts of the A64 in the area as well as water logged fields at Bramham from the heavy rain just before the event.

[liits]

chameleon wrote: All in Keeping (overall) with the UDP liits. I did say that the expectation could be that small sections of the bypass might emerge leaving the only 'logical' course of action then to be to join them all up - discrete piecemeal construction and a road is built before the objections take hold!Similarly, with small sections of housing built over a period of time (still within the approved UDP) the need for the new road will be beyond argument and could then go ahead anyway as a fait accomplae! This would be a simple way to overcome criticism and gently feed in all the proposed development, much of which is wholly reliant upon the new bypass being in place. From the UDP Inspector's reports, 2011 seems to be the year to watch for.Incidentally, your quote about traffic grid lock during the Music Festival this year is quite correct - as far as it goes and is not an argument for the bypass. What is not included and to bring this more into context, is that a major factor contributing to the traffic problems was flooding on parts of the A64 in the area as well as water logged fields at Bramham from the heavy rain just before the event. Actually, none of the above quote was my input. I have no suggestion re the traffic chaos. Not living in Leeds [for 20 odd years] I’ve never seen the trouble caused by the Leeds Festival. I’m only interested in seeing around the former Vickers site.

[chameleon]

Yes I realise that liits, I was of course referring to the quote from elsewhere which you had included. My intention was to try to show that its incompleteness rather changed the context and probable perception.It's a while since I've seen you post here, welcome back!

[chameleon]

rikj wrote: For kate and anyone who is interested there is a comprehensive history of the Barnbow munitions factory here;http://www.hjsmith.clara.co.uk/4746.htmIt's from The Barwicker I believe. There is also a superb map of the filling factory. Make sure you look at the big version. If you can compare the map to a google earth (or flashearth) view then it's apparent how many of the current landscape features still reflect the old use of the site.Intrigued by the info posted by bigpants, phil and I had a walk out there today and there are all sorts of old relics to be seen (apart from me and phil that is). All sorts of walls and fllors lie rotting in the woods. Most interesting was a substantial culvert for Cock Beck that flows through the site. We couldn't understand why such a substantial brick tunnel was needed. Until we looked at the map from the Barwicker that is. It's where the filling factory railway system crossed the beck, so we guess a substantial bridge was needed.The area of the reservoir is being replanted with trees. Was it completely sub-surface bigpants, can you remember? No sign of anything on the surface at all. I've just tried to go bck to the link here but it's target has been removed - I suppose we all save things as links at some time or another, but this shows that it isn't always foolproof and access to things we really want to keep can be lost. Makes me think saving copies might be the way to goI don't suppose anyone can provide a new link or a copy can they?

[chameleon]

chameleon wrote: rikj wrote: For kate and anyone who is interested there is a comprehensive history of the Barnbow munitions factory here;http://www.hjsmith.clara.co.uk/4746.htmIt's from The Barwicker I believe. There is also a superb map of the filling factory. Make sure you look at the big version. If you can compare the map to a google earth (or flashearth) view then it's apparent how many of the current landscape features still reflect the old use of the site.Intrigued by the info posted by bigpants, phil and I had a walk out there today and there are all sorts of old relics to be seen (apart from me and phil that is). All sorts of walls and fllors lie rotting in the woods. Most interesting was a substantial culvert for Cock Beck that flows through the site. We couldn't understand why such a substantial brick tunnel was needed. Until we looked at the map from the Barwicker that is. It's where the filling factory railway system crossed the beck, so we guess a substantial bridge was needed.The area of the reservoir is being replanted with trees. Was it completely sub-surface bigpants, can you remember? No sign of anything on the surface at all. I've just tried to go bck to the link here but it's target has been removed - I suppose we all save things as links at some time or another, but this shows that it isn't always foolproof and access to things we really want to keep can be lost. Makes me think saving copies might be the way to goI don't suppose anyone can provide a new link or a copy can they? Found it! It seems our friends Barwick Historical Society have moved their site to a new home, where the article is stored. For anyone wanting it, here is a link to their site -http://www.barwickinelmethistoricalsoci ... hs.htmlHas a search facility which took me straight to what I was looking for too - wonderful!

[biggee99]

Hi all got a ground plan of the old site frome 1920 shows where every thing is but cant get it on here,

[biggee99]

got it now

[liits]

biggee99 wrote: got it now I took a load of pics of the plan which is in Crossgates library with the intention of photo-stitching them. I then discovered that this plan had itself been photo-stitched [and not very well, either] My attempt worked to some extent but left me with four large, odd-shaped, items which would not then stitch. Looking at your plan, it seems that there is a largish area to thee bottom right that is not shown and also a strip to the right hand side. Still, it’s very, very good!On a slightly different subject. The last time I was in the area, the area which is bounded by Barnbow Lane and the footpath was fenced off with barbed wire and had signs to the effect “Contaminated Land, Keep Out” followed by a Leeds City Council phone number. I e-mailed LCC to enquire what the contamination was and they replied that they had no idea. Looking on the Part 2A Public Register, there is no mention so I’m still a bit puzzled by the signs. I'm even more puzzled by the fact that the area is still grazed by sheep. It's obvious what the chemicals are but why let the area still be used for farming?When I can find it, I’ll post the pic.    

[liits]

Found it!

[chameleon]

Is the plan you refer to the one bigee has posted liits? I'd love to see the details on it properly. I'm sure the full extent of the site has been detailed on here, but I only realised the extent having seen this - and all the rail sidings.Drove quickly down there, first time in a while, yesterday coincidentally but couldn't stay to investigate. That was the first time I'd seen the signs, they do look rather new and given there was until recent times (and before the underground fire in the woods) free access all around there, I think they are fairly recent.