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wiggy wrote: cnosni wrote: My understanding from what i had read was it was around 28000 dead,wikipedia seems to back this up"The Battle of Towton in the Wars of the Roses was the largest and bloodiest ever fought on British soil, with casualties believed to have been in excess of 20,000 (perhaps as many as 30,000) men. Roughly 1% of the entire English population at the time died at Towton. The battle took place on a snowy 29 March 1461 (Palm Sunday) on a plateau between the villages of Towton and Saxton in Yorkshire (about 12 miles (19 km) southwest of York and about 2 miles (3.2 km) south of Tadcaster).It is thought that 50,000, or perhaps even 100,000 men fought, including 28 Lords (almost half the peerage), mainly on the Lancastrian side. The numbers often given are 42,000 for the Lancastrians and 36,000 for the Yorkists.Part of the reason that so many died is because both sides resolved that no quarter would be given.[1]"Unfortunately there is always some doubt as to the accuracy of numbers in medieaval battles,as the story is usually written by the associates of the victors,and therefore it has been found that figures can be inflated somewhat to improve the standing of the victor.Suffice to say that this battle was one of a number of battles where the most feared weapon in Europe,the Longbow,was pitted against and army similarly armed and trained,and as a result seriously diminished the "stock" of archers available by the end of the wars of the Roses,and though there were still contingents of them used during the times of Henry VIII it was never to the degree seen at this time or during the hundred years war. their is a monument in the field there,near the crooked billet,it is inscribed in latin and english and very clearly says 50,000....i read this whilst i should of been in class with you cnosni. wikipedia can never be relied on 100% as anyone can change it at will.....have a look again me old mate. No mate,the figure of 28000 was something i had come across years age,however as i said you cant be sure of these figures as they were always tended to be inflated to make the victory even bigger,and therefore grandise even more the victor.
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electricaldave wrote: There is not as much as you might imagine that can be stated as fact about the Battle of Towton Moor.Fact is that even the location of the battlefield is not certain, nor the routes taken by the opposing armies, right down to the alliegencies of certain significant families.There is a good deal of research about Towton Moor, and this is very much more objective than previous written recordings, for instance, the so-called London Road where the Yorkists were supposed to have marched - this would have been completely unsuitable as a main thouroughfare due to a steep hill on it which would have made travel by wagon impractical - which is rather important for such an significant route.There are several other anomalies, here is a good analysis,http://www.oldtykes.co.uk/medbatt.htm#T ... 01461`Look toward the lower part of that web page and you'll see what I mean. Great link Electric dave,just shows you how much of a grey area history really is,and if this is indded the case that Victorians were not entirely accurate with their summary of the battle,then how are we to believe other such instances down through the centuries?
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cnosni wrote: electricaldave wrote: There is not as much as you might imagine that can be stated as fact about the Battle of Towton Moor.Fact is that even the location of the battlefield is not certain, nor the routes taken by the opposing armies, right down to the alliegencies of certain significant families.There is a good deal of research about Towton Moor, and this is very much more objective than previous written recordings, for instance, the so-called London Road where the Yorkists were supposed to have marched - this would have been completely unsuitable as a main thouroughfare due to a steep hill on it which would have made travel by wagon impractical - which is rather important for such an significant route.There are several other anomalies, here is a good analysis,http://www.oldtykes.co.uk/medbatt.htm#T ... 01461`Look toward the lower part of that web page and you'll see what I mean. Great link Electric dave,just shows you how much of a grey area history really is,and if this is indded the case that Victorians were not entirely accurate with their summary of the battle,then how are we to believe other such instances down through the centuries? we have done all this 'afore cnosni....on another thread,and in detail.....have we not??
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wiggy wrote: cnosni wrote: electricaldave wrote: There is not as much as you might imagine that can be stated as fact about the Battle of Towton Moor.Fact is that even the location of the battlefield is not certain, nor the routes taken by the opposing armies, right down to the alliegencies of certain significant families.There is a good deal of research about Towton Moor, and this is very much more objective than previous written recordings, for instance, the so-called London Road where the Yorkists were supposed to have marched - this would have been completely unsuitable as a main thouroughfare due to a steep hill on it which would have made travel by wagon impractical - which is rather important for such an significant route.There are several other anomalies, here is a good analysis,http://www.oldtykes.co.uk/medbatt.htm#T ... 01461`Look toward the lower part of that web page and you'll see what I mean. Great link Electric dave,just shows you how much of a grey area history really is,and if this is indded the case that Victorians were not entirely accurate with their summary of the battle,then how are we to believe other such instances down through the centuries? we have done all this 'afore cnosni....on another thread,and in detail.....have we not?? Yes,yes we have Herr Von Wigglesworth.
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scott, sorry, but the ORBS, are dust particles out of focus, and there would not be much dust particles in the air, unless you have been moving things...and for the spectre in the pics, seems like smoke, or even breath....having done a photography course, dust particles was in one of the assignments...and how many people call them ghosts/orbs, no one ever mentioned dust as orbs until the release of the Poltergiest series of films.....how about using a giger meter when you take pics?? or a ghost buster PKE meter haha. sorry to have moaned, but nah, they are dust, i have many pictures of them.......
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