The Leylands and the jewish community

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grumpytramp wrote: drapesy wrote: I do think though that the word'Ghetto' needs to be treated with caution however.. Strictly speaking your use of the phrase is correct - in its original sense (originating from Venice) as simply being the Jewish'quarter', and often a poor area.However it does have unfortunate undertones now as many associate the word 'ghetto' with the areas of Warsaw, Krakow, etc and the fate of these areas in the Holocaust. Nick (and also Roundhegian) I appreciate your comments above, they are well made ........ I did very carefully consider my use of word 'ghetto'.It is a fair comment that care should be taken how one uses the word. To be honest from my own perspective the association of the word gthetto to a jewish community in my own city and the ghettos of Warsaw, Lodz, Lakhva, Krakow and the like is an honourable and proud one. The city of Leeds should be proud that a once alien community that sought security within the tight enclave of The Leylands has become so sucessfully assimilated by the city, yet manages retains its own sense of community. The Jewish community of The Leylands is but one of the many communities to arrive in the city and become a vital component making Leeds the great city it is ( Huguenots, Jews, Poles, Irish, Sikhs, Ugandan Asians, Pakistanis, Scots mineworkers etc)G Nice one , grumpytramp - well said.
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grumpytramp wrote: drapesy wrote: I do think though that the word'Ghetto' needs to be treated with caution however.. Strictly speaking your use of the phrase is correct - in its original sense (originating from Venice) as simply being the Jewish'quarter', and often a poor area.However it does have unfortunate undertones now as many associate the word 'ghetto' with the areas of Warsaw, Krakow, etc and the fate of these areas in the Holocaust. Nick (and also Roundhegian) I appreciate your comments above, they are well made ........ I did very carefully consider my use of word 'ghetto'.It is a fair comment that care should be taken how one uses the word. To be honest from my own perspective the association of the word gthetto to a jewish community in my own city and the ghettos of Warsaw, Lodz, Lakhva, Krakow and the like is an honourable and proud one. The city of Leeds should be proud that a once alien community that sought security within the tight enclave of The Leylands has become so sucessfully assimilated by the city, yet manages retains its own sense of community. The Jewish community of The Leylands is but one of the many communities to arrive in the city and become a vital component making Leeds the great city it is ( Huguenots, Jews, Poles, Irish, Sikhs, Ugandan Asians, Pakistanis, Scots mineworkers etc)G Yes well said,but also on the whole the Indigenous inhabitants of the region should also be congratulated for their tolerance of migrants,nothing new though as the Angles who lived in Leeds were accepting of the Danish Vikings who settled in the area.Without trying to sound like im wearing rose tinted glasses do you think that this long tradition underlies the fact that there is only a small amount of racial tension in the city,after all look what happened after 7/7,nothing apart fron some thugs from outside Leeds meeting up outside the Broadway on Dewsbury Road.another good reason for being proud to be a Loiner!!
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In the 80's there was some trouble in Chapeltown - which was depressing - but I thought at the time (and still do) that it was really just 'copycat' trouble of the riots in Toxteth, Brixton and elsewhere.
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my grandma was evaquated during the war and gave birth to my dad in haslewood castle,tadcaster,but he was brought up in the leylands,on grafton street,which can be seen on leodis and was basically a slum area that looks like the goebals of glasgow.my dad remembers there been frequent inter-credal trouble between locals and local members of the jewish community.that area along with quarry hill has always been the main immigrant area of leeds,going back eons,i would liken it to the brick lane area of london.
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wiggy wrote: my grandma was evaquated during the war and gave birth to my dad in haslewood castle,tadcaster,but he was brought up in the leylands,on grafton street,which can be seen on leodis and was basically a slum area that looks like the goebals of glasgow.my dad remembers there been frequent inter-credal trouble between locals and local members of the jewish community.that area along with quarry hill has always been the main immigrant area of leeds,going back eons,i would liken it to the brick lane area of london. No longer though,its all gone.
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John Battle [MP] offers an account of Tom Maguire's role in the 'sweated' disputes in "Tom Maguire: Socialist and Poet". It's more a collection of Maguire's poetry than any in-depth analysis, but it is worth a read. Maguire died of pneumonia in 1895, age 29. He is buried in Beckett Street Cemetery. A Blue Plaque has since been erected in Leeds City Bus Station to marke the centenary of his death. Alf Mattison and Isabella Ford were also active.http://www.dkrenton.co.uk/research/maguire.html
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Dave Mruk wrote: John Battle [MP] offers an account of Tom Maguire's role in the 'sweated' disputes in "Tom Maguire: Socialist and Poet". It's more a collection of Maguire's poetry than any in-depth analysis, but it is worth a read. Maguire died of pneumonia in 1895, age 29. He is buried in Beckett Street Cemetery. A Blue Plaque has since been erected in Leeds City Bus Station to marke the centenary of his death. Alf Mattison and Isabella Ford were also active.http://www.dkrenton.co.uk/research/maguire.html Hi Dave,have you got the wrong thread?
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Laughs. No, but it sure looks like it reading the post back. What I really wanted to talk about was the Jewish rag trade and the strikes towards the back end of the 19th C. There was also something on the Jewish Riots in 1917 that I wanted to mention too. I'll come back when I've thought it through.CheersDave
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The first major strike took place in 1885, with a 13-14 working day being the norm. Local socialists were prominent in supporting the strikers in partiular James Sweeney, who was a member of the Socialist League, wnt onto become Secretary of the Jewish Tailors Trade Society in 1888. Other members of the Socialist League who assisted the Jewish workers were Tom Paylor and Tom Maguire.In 1888 another major strike broke out, which ended in failure. However in 1889 another attempt was made to unionise Jewish tailoring workers again with the involvement of the Socialist League, this attempt involved both male ad female workers and brought together Tom Maguire and Isabella Ford (she had become involved in activity to organise women into trade unions and was an early member of the ILP).In Oct 1889 a meeting was held that decided to create a Leeds Tailoresses Trade Union, this was the result of a dispute at Arthur's one of the worst employers in the city.On 22 Oct 1889 a strike was called , within a week membrship of the union had risen to 1,000 and mass meetings f thousands were held outside the Town Hall. This strike achieved some partial success in improving some of the working conditins relating to fines imposed by the employers.In Nov 1889 the decision was made to create the Leeds Wholesale Clothing Operatives Trade Union.After the Gas Strike of 1890 and the creation of the Gasworkers and General Labourers Union, there was a lot of support for the Jewish workers, who joined the GGLU during what was dubbed the "Revolt of the Israelites" protresting against a 70 hour working week.Unfrtunately this alliance did not last long and there was soon aparting of the way. However trade unionism continued to have a presence amongst Jewish workers strikes over piecework payments took place in 1901, 1904 1907 and 1908. The last Jewish strike in the tailoring tarde in Leed occured in 1911. In 1915 there was an amalgamtion of the Jewish and non=-Jewish tailoring unions to form the United Garment workers Trade Union.Just to finish the Gower Street Board School (now a Chinese restaurant) was used by strikers to hold meetings at various times.

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wiggy wrote: my grandma was evaquated during the war and gave birth to my dad in haslewood castle,tadcaster,but he was brought up in the leylands,on grafton street,which can be seen on leodis and was basically a slum area that looks like the goebals of glasgow.my dad remembers there been frequent inter-credal trouble between locals and local members of the jewish community.that area along with quarry hill has always been the main immigrant area of leeds,going back eons,i would liken it to the brick lane area of london. i don't remember typing this...must of taken me eons...
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