Esholt & Knostrop

The Parksider · Post by **The Parksider** » Mon 31 Dec, 2007 12:54 am

grumpytramp wrote: You will find some useful source material in back issues of Irwell Press excellent Bylines Magazine (see http://www.irwellpress.co.uk/BYLINES%20 ... GAZINE.HTM ) and the following articles are in their catalogue (prefix L is for letter in response to article)RAILWAY BYLINES VOL.1Esholt Sewage Works 114, L-239RAILWAY BYLINES Vol.5Knostrop Sewage Works 378, L-434 RAILWAY BYLINES Vol.6Knostrop Sewage Works L-46 You may also find of interest the book "Hidden beneath our feet -Story of Sewerage in Leeds" by David Sellars which is out of print but available from the author see http://www.dsellers.demon.co.uk/sewers/hidden.pdf Can't get the pages for the byelines stuff - have you seen it - what does it say?

roundhegian · Post by **roundhegian** » Mon 31 Dec, 2007 10:28 am

grumpytramp wrote: You will find some useful source material in back issues of Irwell Press excellent Bylines Magazine (see http://www.irwellpress.co.uk/BYLINES%20 ... GAZINE.HTM ) and the following articles are in their catalogue (prefix L is for letter in response to article)RAILWAY BYLINES VOL.1Esholt Sewage Works 114, L-239RAILWAY BYLINES Vol.5Knostrop Sewage Works 378, L-434 RAILWAY BYLINES Vol.6Knostrop Sewage Works L-46 You may also find of interest the book "Hidden beneath our feet -Story of Sewerage in Leeds" by David Sellars which is out of print but available from the author see http://www.dsellers.demon.co.uk/sewers/hidden.pdf "grumpytramp" is absolutely right about the book by David Sellers . It's full of revealing information such as for example that in 1841 the average life expectancy of a " workman " in Leeds was 19 years and more general information such as the population of the city from 1831 onwards .Well worth reading .

Post by **chameleon** » Mon 31 Dec, 2007 1:48 pm

grumpytramp wrote: You will find some useful source material in back issues of Irwell Press excellent Bylines Magazine (see http://www.irwellpress.co.uk/BYLINES%20 ... GAZINE.HTM ) and the following articles are in their catalogue (prefix L is for letter in response to article)RAILWAY BYLINES VOL.1Esholt Sewage Works 114, L-239RAILWAY BYLINES Vol.5Knostrop Sewage Works 378, L-434 RAILWAY BYLINES Vol.6Knostrop Sewage Works L-46 You may also find of interest the book "Hidden beneath our feet -Story of Sewerage in Leeds" by David Sellars which is out of print but available from the author see http://www.dsellers.demon.co.uk/sewers/hidden.pdf Grumpytramp is right - Sellar's book is amazing and includes bits not on the Net version. My request for this as a Christmas present when published, was met with some hilarity from family.... that it sold out at record speed I think vindicated my desire as well as showing the extent of interest around in such things. The kind of pulication much in keeping with the ethos of Secret Leeds.

Skrappy · Post by **Skrappy** » Wed 02 Jan, 2008 11:10 pm

Hi All,Back to knostrop after a nice festive break ! the Sellers piece was interesting reading, my how things change, and go up. Current improvement scheme going on at present is circ £60m. Knostrop still has the low level and high level works layout although i am not sure i want to work on the high level screens after reading about the body!I will try have a look see if i can find any info out tomorrow, although some one said today they thought the railway ran to load the barges with pressed cake and to take the sludge etc to the tip. There isnt any sign of track left etc unlike North Bierley where a lot of the track is still there. sk

The Parksider · Post by **The Parksider** » Thu 03 Jan, 2008 1:32 am

Skrappy wrote: Hi All,Back to knostrop after a nice festive break ! the Sellers piece was interesting reading, my how things change, and go up. Current improvement scheme going on at present is circ £60m. Knostrop still has the low level and high level works layout although i am not sure i want to work on the high level screens after reading about the body!I will try have a look see if i can find any info out tomorrow, although some one said today they thought the railway ran to load the barges with pressed cake and to take the sludge etc to the tip. There isnt any sign of track left etc unlike North Bierley where a lot of the track is still there. sk My 1930's geographia shows the waterloo colliery railway passing adjacent the north of the upper sewage works providing a southern branch (some way back) that goes to Dam pit, hunslet goods yard and alongside the lower sewage works.I noticed how the line ends up in the middle of the river at thwaite gate - so it looks like that ties in exactly with barges being loaded s you have said!!So again I believe the colliery railway also served the Knostrop sewage works.

Leeds 9er · Post by **Leeds 9er** » Thu 03 Jan, 2008 4:00 am

When built, Knostrop Sewage Works was surrounded by standard gauge railways. The Midland line was against the southern side of the site, whilst the Great Northern was on the west and the Waterloo Main Colliery branch looped around the north of the site. At the west of the site, standard gauge sidings were provided, these were connected to both the Great Northern & Waterloo Main branch lines. A 4 wheel MotorRail (wn 3676)was provided to work these sidings.

grumpytramp · Post by **grumpytramp** » Thu 03 Jan, 2008 11:44 pm

The Parksider wrote: Can't get the pages for the byelines stuff - have you seen it - what does it say? Apologies the link is just to their indexes, back issues are available there or on 01525 861888I never saw the Esholt article, but do remember reading the Knostrop article (unfortuantely that has disapeared to the great recycling bin in the sky).

grumpytramp · Post by **grumpytramp** » Thu 03 Jan, 2008 11:53 pm

Here are a few links of interest:http://www.irsociety.co.uk/Archives/22/PP_22.htmNice picture of the Knostrop Simplex Petrol locomotive (actually ex War Department and therefore armoured) and nice picture of Jess of the adjacent Waterloo Main Colliery shunting at Cross Green Lane coal drops (cannot help but notice what appears to be a rope haulage system on the ground)http://gasmechs.blogspot.com/2007/01/pr ... tmlPicture of Armley Mills MRTC 40HP "Weather Protected" petrol locomotive from Knostrop (? same as the Simplex locomotive)CheersG

The Parksider · Post by **The Parksider** » Fri 04 Jan, 2008 12:07 am

grumpytramp wrote: Here are a few links of interest:http://www.irsociety.co.uk/Archives/22/PP_22.htmNice picture of the Knostrop Simplex Petrol locomotive (actually ex War Department and therefore armoured) and nice picture of Jess of the adjacent Waterloo Main Colliery shunting at Cross Green Lane coal drops (cannot help but notice what appears to be a rope haulage system on the ground)http://gasmechs.blogspot.com/2007/01/pr ... tmlPicture of Armley Mills MRTC 40HP "Weather Protected" petrol locomotive from Knostrop (? same as the Simplex locomotive)CheersG BRILL - Thanks

Skrappy · Post by **Skrappy** » Fri 04 Jan, 2008 1:22 am

My 1930's geographia shows the waterloo colliery railway passing adjacent the north of the upper sewage works providing a southern branch (some way back) that goes to Dam pit, hunslet goods yard and alongside the lower sewage works.I noticed how the line ends up in the middle of the river at thwaite gate - so it looks like that ties in exactly with barges being loaded s you have said!!So again I believe the colliery railway also served the Knostrop sewage works. Yup, also the trains took the rags etc to the tip as i found out for definate today. Also the engine shed is still standing this is near to the river as well. The barges were also loaded by pumps. As far as i know the works had its own sidings i will have a look tomorrow to see if i can locate where they were.