Rail Re-Openings - Dr Beeching

Trojan · Post by **Trojan** » Sat 18 Oct, 2008 2:47 pm

cnosni wrote: Trojan wrote: cnosni wrote: Same drivers,same guards,same platform staff,same timetable.No ones changed except the people who take the profits home.National Express are real comedians,they are out of their depth.The first five months of their tenure has bee the most disrupted i have come across.They brought in their people(who lost them the other rail franchises incidentally) who couldnt cope when things went wrong.They disempowered those who had been running the show and made monumental cock ups.Luckily they did two things,firstly recognised the best people to deal with the situation are those in the know and secondly,they padded out extra time into the timetable with particular services to reduce the PPM.Trojan,please please dont think that the new operators have come in and waved a magic wwand,you have,on this instance,travelled when things are going well,which is most days.It seems that your other two GNER incidents were unfortunate coincidences.By the way,which one did you travel on from Wakey? We travelled down on the 8-36 and back on the 20-30. I know the ticket machines, trolleys etc all still bear the GNER colours and logo, and so does Wakefield Westgate, so you're probably right. But the fact remains that the last time we travelled with GNER (as detailed earlier) the GNER platform staff told us a downright lie. It was true that the delay had been caused by Midland Mainline, we bought our ticket from GNER and our claim was with them not Midland Mainline. She must have known that and yet she deliberately misled us, it was that that really annoyed us. Anyway least said soonest mended. The trip on Sunday went off without a hitch whether it was down to National Express or just the diligence of the staff. One person does not make a workforce,and in all probablity,te person is question still works for us.. No you are right, but presumably she didn't do it autonomously, she did it because (a) that's what someone had told her to say or (b) that was the laid down proceedure in such cases, either way it was the management of GNER's fault and that management has changed. In contrast to my (perhaps unlucky) experiences on three occasions with GNER we had a trouble free trip to London and back with National Express - I can only speak as I find.

robontheroad · Post by **robontheroad** » Fri 14 Nov, 2008 10:28 am

Back to the original post...IMHO the following stations should be re-opened/built:Low MoorThornhill LeesWhite RoseArmley Canal RoadArmley and WortleyMethleyHorsforth West ParkKirkstallCalverleyApperly Bridge and RawdonArthingtonLines to be reopened:Otley - either way from Menston or BramhopeLeeds New Line from Leeds to Showcase Cinema at Birstall with commuter stop/park at former Gildersome station during the day.Spen Valley Line (L&Y line)

Phill_dvsn · Post by **Phill_dvsn** » Fri 14 Nov, 2008 12:09 pm

I've just put together a Yorkshires abandoned railway picture/history post herehttp://www.derelictplaces.co.uk/main/showthrea ... 917There's lots of lost rails around Leeds and West Yorkshire there. I'm sure csnosi would be interested

Brandy · Post by **Brandy** » Fri 14 Nov, 2008 12:24 pm

Phill_dvsn wrote: I've just put together a Yorkshires abandoned railway picture/history post herehttp://www.derelictplaces.co.uk/main/showthrea ... 917There's lots of lost rails around Leeds and West Yorkshire there. I'm sure csnosi would be interested Good stuff phill,theres something about you and trains that just seems to go together mateI think its your passion for the railways that shines on through when your doing a rail-related article.

Phill_dvsn · Post by **Phill_dvsn** » Fri 14 Nov, 2008 12:40 pm

Cheers Brandy. I think most guys like the choo choo's.We never grow up lol

Post by **tyke bhoy** » Fri 14 Nov, 2008 1:42 pm

robontheroad wrote: Back to the original post...IMHO the following stations should be re-opened/built:Low MoorThornhill LeesWhite RoseArmley Canal RoadArmley and WortleyMethleyHorsforth West ParkKirkstallCalverleyApperly Bridge and RawdonArthingtonLines to be reopened:Otley - either way from Menston or BramhopeLeeds New Line from Leeds to Showcase Cinema at Birstall with commuter stop/park at former Gildersome station during the day.Spen Valley Line (L&Y line) Armley Canal Road and to a lesser extent Kirkstall effectively are being re-opened with a station at the Kirkstall Forge development and I believe Apperly Bridge was agreed at the same time.

Post by **tyke bhoy** » Mon 17 Nov, 2008 2:29 pm

Apparently Low Moor is in Metro's plans too but at the moment can't be fitted in due to timetablinghttp://www.wymetro.com/ProjectsAndPlans/Scheme ... oor.htmand Horsforth Woodside is mentioned toohttp://www.wymetro.com/TrainTravel/with a bit more on Kirkstall and Apperly Bridge http://www.wymetro.com/ProjectsAndPlans ... nsNews.htm

raveydavey · Post by **raveydavey** » Mon 17 Nov, 2008 9:47 pm

ads wrote: I think its a crying shame that given the failings of supertram etc, park & rides seem to have gone until the powers dream up another potential scheme that will drag on for years. Given all the development on Pontefract Lane, I would have thought that a park and ride site at the old wholesale market, accessing the railway on the sidings at Neville Hill just above it, with a drop off point at the old Marsh Lane sidings near the Kremlin would have been ideal. Most of the track bed etc is already there so it wouldn't have been the biggest task in the world, particularly given the amount wasted already in the failed supertram scheme, just a couple of new stations, and away you go. Maybe even give facility for some of the York / Selby trains to drop off in there and it would release some of the bottle neck at Leeds. As someone has highlighted before, another site crying out for a rail connection is the White Rose Centre, shut the under utilised Cottingley station and move it down the lines a bit, and actually get some trains to stop there unlike Cottingley! It's a little know fact that when the White Rose Centre was at the planning stage, they offered to include a new station in the construction. Needless to say the authorities at the time (Notwork Rail?) looked that particular gift horse straight in the teeth and declined the offer. What a clever idea that was.There are, apparently, plans afoot for a "Parkway" station on the Leeds-York line adjacent to the motorway exit at Colton (Thorp Park). I'm not entirely sure how the overloaded current trains would cope with this, and given the current economic climate it's probably at least a decade away, but it is a step in the right direction.

Post by **chameleon** » Mon 17 Nov, 2008 10:08 pm

'There are, apparently, plans afoot for a "Parkway" station on the Leeds-York line adjacent to the motorway exit at Colton (Thorp Park). I'm not entirely sure how the overloaded current trains would cope with this, and given the current economic climate it's probably at least a decade away, but it is a step in the right direction'And to continue the cynicism of the evening, what are the chances that the rail fare and cost of parking there are about the same as fuel and any congestion charge that may come along!It feels more and more that everything has a price, justified or not.

Post by **cnosni** » Mon 17 Nov, 2008 10:34 pm

chameleon wrote: 'There are, apparently, plans afoot for a "Parkway" station on the Leeds-York line adjacent to the motorway exit at Colton (Thorp Park). I'm not entirely sure how the overloaded current trains would cope with this, and given the current economic climate it's probably at least a decade away, but it is a step in the right direction'And to continue the cynicism of the evening, what are the chances that the rail fare and cost of parking there are about the same as fuel and any congestion charge that may come along!It feels more and more that everything has a price, justified or not. Its been mooted before,howver there is talk of a link road in this patch through to the A58 at Wellington Hill,a proposal that appears still to be valid according to to the council Bods at the NGT exhibition outside the Art Gallery last week.