The smallest-most dangerous cycle path in Leeds?

Phill_dvsn · Post by **Phill_dvsn** » Mon 14 Nov, 2011 8:27 pm

chameleon wrote: The answer is right there in the comments to the online story, you see, it says in effect that you should look around you (where you ARE GOING!!).Clearly fails to see the point does that respondent me thinks - and not very useful advice if you happen to be one of the many the blind bus users who may chance to alight there Exactly you hit the nail on the head. So every time you step off the bus you need to be wary for any possible new cycle path, helicopter landing pad, or whatever construction the council see fit to place there.Risk assessment should be exactly that, like assessing the risk of people just doing a simple thing like getting off a bus and then getting run over.

jdbythesea · Post by **jdbythesea** » Mon 14 Nov, 2011 8:31 pm

Looking at those pictures I understand now why cycle path and psychopath are so similar.

raveydavey · Post by **raveydavey** » Mon 14 Nov, 2011 9:00 pm

Phill, you need to get some action pics of a cyclist and a pedestrian on that section of path / cyclepath.Mind you, the advertising hoarding on the bus stop will probably be in high demand from no-win / no-fee lawyers now....

WiggyDiggy · Post by **WiggyDiggy** » Mon 14 Nov, 2011 9:34 pm

The article mentions the designer consulted with the Leeds Cycle Action Group and the design was subjected to a Road Safety Audit. I wonder what LCAG actually said, and what the audit found?

Post by **tyke bhoy** » Tue 15 Nov, 2011 10:55 am

WiggyDiggy wrote: The article mentions the designer consulted with the Leeds Cycle Action Group and the design was subjected to a Road Safety Audit. I wonder what LCAG actually said, and what the audit found? I strongly suspect that anybody involved with LCAG is well aware of what the giveway markings mean and obey the meaning. Unfortunately the vast majority of cyclists won't obey the meaning and a few won't even recognise giveway anyway.Edited Addition- The YEP picture also displays the usual occurrence where a bus either straddles or overshoots the bus shelter encouraging alighters (not that they need much) to avoid passing through the shelter. I note the advertisement is blank too even though as mentioned it is a prime site for no win no fee lawyers.

WiggyDiggy · Post by **WiggyDiggy** » Tue 15 Nov, 2011 1:09 pm

Agree with you on LCAG, they seem a sensible lot, just strange they would think such a stop/start cycle path is better just so cyclists can get past the lights?Your right about buses stopping badly though and dont get me started on them not bothering to pull into the layby properly!

Phill_dvsn · Post by **Phill_dvsn** » Tue 15 Nov, 2011 1:36 pm

I've just seen the LCAG website herehttp://leedscyclists.org.uk/2011/07/roundhay-road-cycle-lane-under-threat/That the Roundhay Road Cycle Lane was under Threat in July.So I'm not sure if they did away with a perfectly safe cycleway on the far side of the road, and built the dangerous one on the other?

Phill_dvsn · Post by **Phill_dvsn** » Tue 15 Nov, 2011 2:51 pm

And here is a bit more from the Leeds Cycling Consultation Forum12th October 2011.Roundhay Road Bus Lane.Details of these proposals were presented. People who used the route were unhappy that a wide road with plenty of room to pass cyclists was being sub-divided into smaller lanes with more likelihood of conflict.From this website herehttp://www.leedsctc.org.uk/Forum_Oct11_notes.pdf

WiggyDiggy · Post by **WiggyDiggy** » Tue 15 Nov, 2011 5:52 pm

Nice find, I saw the minutes but could not find the outcomes.They also mention parking on Kirkstall Road, all the second hand car garages along there and the glass shop underneath the railway viaduct besides Vue are particularly bad.Ironically there is also often cars parked outside Woodrups cycles, if anyone should know not to park there its someone going in that shop!

simon2710 · Post by **simon2710** » Tue 15 Nov, 2011 9:55 pm

I was queuing in traffic down Roundhay Road on my way to work this morning (traffic has only got worse down here since the so-called improvements I would like to add. Low and behold, (really good camera moment) I noticed a cyclist zoom all the way down, handlebars inches from the bus shelter itself. I thought to myself, if anyone had been exiting the bus shelter, what a surprise they would have had!What I don't understand, is that there is a footpath on the other side of that silly plantation (or island?), so wouldn't it have been common sense to put the cycle track down that side and the footpath along where the bus shelter is?.....Then again, I am talking about Leeds City Council here, this is the council that sends out their contractors to cut the grass during thick snow.