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Brunel (User)
Posted on: 30-Mar-2009 21:14:34.
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This column has been here for a few years, made of steel and has an inspection hatch similar to a street lamp. recently had a new coat of paint.
Can anyone here throw some light on it.......... Argh!!
http://snipurl.com/evo7d
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chameleon (User)
Posted on: 30-Mar-2009 21:21:16.
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Suspect it's a poor atempt at diguising a small mobile phone transmitter?
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drapesy (User)
Posted on: 30-Mar-2009 21:21:21.
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cctv??
More probably what Chameleon said!
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Brandy (User)
Posted on: 30-Mar-2009 21:40:59.
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It could be a relay for the police 02airwave system maybe?
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Brunel (User)
Posted on: 30-Mar-2009 21:57:01.
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Not sure how long it has been in place, seems to be forever,
There are two large street cabinets nearby, and a further two cabinets with false street light nearby.
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Brandy (User)
Posted on: 30-Mar-2009 22:00:10.
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according to http://www.sitefinder.ofcom.org.uk/ there's a phone mast on street lane just after the junction of devonshire av- I wonder if this is the mast in question?
I think by the look of it it's one of them mast's that they try and blend in to the surroundings? lol
and here's the other,Its been 'camouflaged' to look like a wooden telegraph pole lol
http://snipurl.com/evx9i
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chameleon (User)
Posted on: 30-Mar-2009 22:35:15.
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[quotenick="Brandy"]according to http://www.sitefinder.ofcom.org.uk/ there's a phone mast on street lane just after the junction of devonshire av- I wonder if this is the mast in question?
I think by the look of it it's one of them mast's that they try and blend in to the surroundings? lol
and here's the other,Its been 'camouflaged' to look like a wooden telegraph pole lol
http://snipurl.com/evx9i
(I'm sure when I first looked at this it was a neat little hyper-link??)
Interesting you've found a sitefinder Brandy, the telcos stopped providing information to most of them a few years ago - I forget why.
I think a mobile mast is more likely, the Tetra Coms masts are not usually local low power (and they can cause a lot of problems!).
Strange isn't it - how conspicuous they are when they try to make them, inconspicuous!
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Brunel (User)
Posted on: 30-Mar-2009 22:41:31.
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The Ofcom site is correct, all the cell masts are on Street Ln.
I will investigate further, next time will take high powered field glasses and have a close look at the top.
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Brandy (User)
Posted on: 30-Mar-2009 22:46:49.
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This is a long shot but you dont think its anything to do with the texaco filling station do you? http://snipurl.com/evv0m
Im thinking some kind of breather pipe or summet?
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chameleon (User)
Posted on: 30-Mar-2009 22:55:46.
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| Brandy wrote: |
This is a long shot but you dont think its anything to do with the texaco filling station do you? http://snipurl.com/evv0m
Im thinking some kind of breather pipe or summet? |
Wouldn't that have to be on private land though, not the public footway? That doesn't look like either an NTL/Virgin or BT cabinet, more likely a mobile Co I think.
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Phill_dvsn (User)
Posted on: 31-Mar-2009 00:22:32.
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They do have similar 'stench pipes' i've seen about.
There is one on Harehills lane. It very much looks like a tram pole but you can see the vent at the top.
It's just a bit higher up from the Harehills ave crossroads, and before Potternewton park
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liits (User)
Posted on: 31-Mar-2009 00:30:47.
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A very old "stench pipe" is located on Austhorpe Rd, junction with Park Ave. It even shows up on Goggle Earth [well, its shadow does].
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chameleon (User)
Posted on: 31-Mar-2009 08:02:08.
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This looks rather too new from the oicture to be an old stench pipe I think Phill, but that could be its disguise!
There's a picture of the one on Austhorpe Road back in another thread liitts, been there for longer than I can remember and now defunct - the inspection hatch is gone and the base full of muck.
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Cardiarms (User)
Posted on: 31-Mar-2009 09:35:34.
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I've looked on our maps and there's nothing for a stench pipe on Devonshire Ave. I'm not sure we even fit them anymore. An old engineer told me about the importance of knowing your hydraulic engineering when fitting them as the result can be a genuine shower of sh*te.
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simong (User)
Posted on: 31-Mar-2009 13:21:47.
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I don't know the area, but it looks newish from Google. Could it be a methane or radon outlet? Perhaps there is an old tip in the area and the height would suggest venting something safely. It doesn't look like a mast as under their disguises they're usually fairly standard looking.
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chameleon (User)
Posted on: 31-Mar-2009 16:02:22.
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Escaped for a while and had a look at this, it is a Mobile Coms., Mast.
Very new, perfect paintwork on smooth unpitted metal, a watertight inspection hatch a couple of feet off the ground, just a few meters away against the path edge is the cabinet as shown in the earlier picture, clearly marked as being O2 plant, From this, a small trench in the footpath angled towards the pole and running under the grass verge in that direction.
Must be honest, driving towards it, I thought we were wrong it and that it was a sewer stench pipe - very realistic.
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Brandy (User)
Posted on: 31-Mar-2009 16:06:26.
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| chameleon wrote: |
Escaped for a while and had a look at this, it is a Mobile Coms., Mast.
Very new, perfect paintwork on smooth unpitted metal, a watertight inspection hatch a couple of feet off the ground, just a few meters away against the path edge is the cabinet as shown in the earlier picture, clearly marked as being O2 plant, From this, a small trench in the footpath angled towards the pole and running under the grass verge in that direction.
Must be honest, driving towards it, I thought we were wrong it and that it was a sewer stench pipe - very realistic.
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02 airwaves! its a police relay mast il put my money on it
ps/again lol
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Brunel (User)
Posted on: 31-Mar-2009 23:43:31.
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Three more pics with more detail of the top and inspection hatch.
They are marked Latest
http://snipurl.com/evo7d
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chameleon (User)
Posted on: 01-Apr-2009 17:39:55.
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| Brunel wrote: |
Three more pics with more detail of the top and inspection hatch.
They are marked Latest
http://snipurl.com/eymz0 |
Thanks Brunel, clearly shows what I was describing - it is very realistic as something else, isn't it?
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chameleon (User)
Posted on: 01-Apr-2009 22:31:58.
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'02 airwaves! its a police relay mast il put my money on it
ps/again lol '
Nope - plain old mobile and 3G services from this one Brandy
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Brandy (User)
Posted on: 01-Apr-2009 22:50:56.
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yep your right Chameleon they got permission back in 06 for it.That's why its painted 'vodafone' red lol
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Brunel (User)
Posted on: 01-Apr-2009 23:46:56.
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Prior approval REFUSED.????
It is on the opposite side of the road to Devonshire Lodge, not adjacent
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chameleon (User)
Posted on: 02-Apr-2009 18:31:30.
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That's right, this one is O2 not Vodafone. The Base Station info on sitefinder indicates its usage. The Emergency services (along with other private user networks use the Tetra system which operates at lower frequencies The plant to this one is hardly secure either it could be disabled in minutes!
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Brunel (User)
Posted on: 02-Apr-2009 19:01:18.
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If you search on Sightfinder for Devonshire Ave, it has a wobbly and shows the known site on Street Lane.
NO site is shown on Devonshire Ave.
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Brandy (User)
Posted on: 02-Apr-2009 22:13:15.
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| Brunel wrote: |
If you search on Sightfinder for Devonshire Ave, it has a wobbly and shows the known site on Street Lane.
NO site is shown on Devonshire Ave. |
yeah i know what you mean Brunel.And according to the planning office it doesn't even exist?? weired or what?
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chameleon (User)
Posted on: 02-Apr-2009 22:49:59.
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| Brandy wrote: |
| Brunel wrote: |
If you search on Sightfinder for Devonshire Ave, it has a wobbly and shows the known site on Street Lane.
NO site is shown on Devonshire Ave. |
yeah i know what you mean Brunel.And according to the planning office it doesn't even exist?? weired or what? |
A couple of posibilities here other than error Brandy, first, the authority may have failed to respond to the application within the time limit thus allowing the mast anyway or, more likely this one comes under the provisions of permitted development where no application is needed.
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Brunel (User)
Posted on: 03-Apr-2009 09:42:19.
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Not an O² site, I asked 'em. Their reply:
"There are two O² phone masts located near to Devonshire Ave. they are between St. Ln. and Back Norman Terr.
They are both Macrocell stations.
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keefmoon (User)
Posted on: 21-Jul-2009 16:42:32.
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Hi, sorry for the threadromancy. Been browsing the site for info on Carr Manors and came across this one.
Pretty sure it isn't a telecoms mast, we usually build them with somewhere for the antennas to radiate from, this photo here shows very little room up top for even a single one (normally three) housed in a shroud. For dual technologies we would probably use 3 2G antenna's and 3 3G antenna's so 99% certain it is not "CSR 17684 Roundhay" - or 3 Multiband antennas depending on what platform was built when.
On a side note, the VF and O2 sites that are close together on sitefinder will likely be merged into one site in the near future due to the sharing agreement between the two companies. So you better get your photo's done quick 
No clue what the image is shown, but asking around to see if anyone knows. That is if there is anybody left to ask, we are all at risk of redundancy
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Brandy (User)
Posted on: 21-Jul-2009 16:57:56.
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Cheers keefmoon
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chameleon (User)
Posted on: 21-Jul-2009 17:57:19.
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Well, if that's so, we're just left with the mobile operator's adjacent live equipment cabinet, the cable trench between the two and the the exceptionally new condition of an old-fashioned column to explain away.....
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Brandy (User)
Posted on: 21-Jul-2009 19:11:05.
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Il still go with the idea that
its to do with the police 02 airwaves
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keefmoon (User)
Posted on: 21-Jul-2009 20:06:11.
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Well its certainly a design we have never come across before in our offices. I can definately say it is not O2, I've spoken to the new cell planner for the area - which is by the Texaco garage IIRC.
O2 lost Airwaves when Telefonica took over, according to the contract it would go back to the Govt to run (or someone appointed by the Govt) - not sure who it is now. That whole airwaves was a pain in the [edited for content] to set up. Especially when you had the laziest radio planners in the world working on it for hundreds if pounds per day. I'm very surprised that any Airwave masts are on sitefinder website, given that we had to sign the official secrets act to work on it. Kind of giving any crook/terrorist the location to where they can disrupt emergency services comms.
Just found the google walkabout link posted earlier and I can see it better (and the cabinet) compared to the width of the O2 monopole. The photo made it look very slim. Its going to be Vodafone, (as Airwaves would have hopped onto our site at that time) and probably a one off design as it has had our office baffled.
Quick funny story - we have a site by Moortown Allotments which is also a telegraph pole, all sorts of complaints even though planning went through fine. Apparently one of the complaints at the many meetings was that it might affect the organic status of the allotments.
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chameleon (User)
Posted on: 21-Jul-2009 20:19:07.
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'Quick funny story - we have a site by Moortown Allotments which is also a telegraph pole, all sorts of complaints even though planning went through fine. Apparently one of the complaints at the many meetings was that it might affect the organic status of the allotments.'
Now that really is a load of ....manure
I agree that it's unlikely a secure syatem would be so easily identified (and vulnerable) and suggested that before, but it certainly was an 02 idetifying badge I saw.
Is Airwaves a brand name or is it diferent to the TETRA networks? We live in almost direct line between two of these masts and problems were horrendous at times but then seemed to tail off lately.
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keefmoon (User)
Posted on: 21-Jul-2009 20:29:47.
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Airwave use TETRA technology- not 100% sure on the technology myself as I'm not a radio type person myself so its in laymans terms, as they are the only ones I understand myself.
Basically mobile phones - you can only really speak one person to one person, a third person with a third mobile phone can't listen in and talk. TETRA works by broadcasting to everyone with a reciever. So similar to the ones the cabbies use. It stands for Terrestrial Trunked Radio. So when an alert goes out on the police frequency eveybody with coverage and the receiver can hear it. Its just a fancy form of walkie talkies.
As to the O2 identifier, you have me stumped. Perhaps they share our power supply and thats a meter cabinet? We do that quite often when sharing a site so it is possible that it was cheaper to use ours supply instead of digging up more road. One of these days I'll go have a ganders myself, maybe the next farmers market at Oakwood, its on the route.
What problems did you have?
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chameleon (User)
Posted on: 21-Jul-2009 21:37:26.
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| keefmoon wrote: |
Airwave use TETRA technology- not 100% sure on the technology myself as I'm not a radio type person myself so its in laymans terms, as they are the only ones I understand myself.
Basically mobile phones - you can only really speak one person to one person, a third person with a third mobile phone can't listen in and talk. TETRA works by broadcasting to everyone with a reciever. So similar to the ones the cabbies use. It stands for Terrestrial Trunked Radio. So when an alert goes out on the police frequency eveybody with coverage and the receiver can hear it. Its just a fancy form of walkie talkies.
As to the O2 identifier, you have me stumped. Perhaps they share our power supply and thats a meter cabinet? We do that quite often when sharing a site so it is possible that it was cheaper to use ours supply instead of digging up more road. One of these days I'll go have a ganders myself, maybe the next farmers market at Oakwood, its on the route.
What problems did you have? |
Most annoyingly - RFID activated cat flap, for over an hour in the morning and at other periods particularly early evening the thing would go ballisitc locking an d unlocking for all it was worth - poor cats daren't go near it!
Shielding it with a metal plate in front of it stopped it dead, and consultations variously put the cause down to some kind of TETra burst, more than that I couldn't say. Expensive cat flap abandoned 
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Cardiarms (User)
Posted on: 15-Mar-2010 20:53:15.
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Why was a fake stench pipe erected? Because...
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Cardiarms (User)
Posted on: 15-Mar-2010 20:54:14.
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There's a real one just further down Street Lane
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Cardiarms (User)
Posted on: 15-Mar-2010 20:56:02.
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chameleon (User)
Posted on: 15-Mar-2010 22:57:01.
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Think I glimpsed another in Roundhay at the w/e - will check and get a pic next time I'm out there.
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chameleon (User)
Posted on: 15-Mar-2010 23:34:27.
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I believe it is!
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chameleon (User)
Posted on: 16-Apr-2010 13:36:23.
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Found another -
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chameleon (User)
Posted on: 16-Apr-2010 13:39:31.
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Found another -
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Cardiarms (User)
Posted on: 16-Apr-2010 19:16:51.
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Tease!
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chameleon (User)
Posted on: 16-Apr-2010 19:36:12.
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OK - here's another one but, it's had a bit of a low-tech make-over recently!
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Cardiarms (User)
Posted on: 16-Apr-2010 19:58:53.
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That's art!
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PC - Dublin (User)
Posted on: 16-Apr-2010 20:47:42.
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| Cardiarms wrote: |
| There's a real one just further down Street Lane |
Looks like a vent pipe on a sewer to me.
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Cardiarms (User)
Posted on: 16-Apr-2010 21:13:42.
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Sorry, don't follow you.
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PC - Dublin (User)
Posted on: 16-Apr-2010 21:30:40.
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| Cardiarms wrote: |
| Sorry, don't follow you. |
Underground sewers give rise to smells and often these "vents" are put in which are connected into the sewer and hence the smells from the sewer are vented to the atmosphere. If these gases are allowed to build up in the sewers they can give rise to potential explosions.
Hope that makes sense !!
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Cardiarms (User)
Posted on: 16-Apr-2010 21:35:49.
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:-D I know, it's my bread and butter!
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PC - Dublin (User)
Posted on: 16-Apr-2010 21:37:16.
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| Cardiarms wrote: |
:-D I know, it's my bread and butter!
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same here !!
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chameleon (User)
Posted on: 16-Apr-2010 21:55:08.
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| Cardiarms wrote: |
:-D I know, it's my bread and butter!
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These were very close to both tanks and a small filter-bed unit long disused but still discernable from above....
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chameleon (User)
Posted on: 18-Apr-2010 18:40:12.
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| chameleon wrote: |
| Cardiarms wrote: |
:-D I know, it's my bread and butter!
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These were very close to both tanks and a small filter-bed unit long disused but still discernable from above.... |
No idea where Brandy?
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Brandy (User)
Posted on: 18-Apr-2010 21:36:47.
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| chameleon wrote: |
| chameleon wrote: |
| Cardiarms wrote: |
:-D I know, it's my bread and butter!
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These were very close to both tanks and a small filter-bed unit long disused but still discernable from above.... |
No idea where Brandy? |
Im working on it steve
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Phill_d (User)
Posted on: 21-Apr-2010 19:50:59.
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I found another one of these mystery poles down Cross Green. I can't make out what it is. I know Mr Brunel likes this sort of thing. So the Google street view is here
http://snipurl.com/vobsi
I just happened to chance sight of it while doing recce on Google street view. That things a godsend. You can get an idea, just travel the street in the Google car to see if it's worth going to look at for real. I'm amazed at some of the remote places that Google car has ventured too
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PC - Dublin (User)
Posted on: 21-Apr-2010 21:21:38.
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Looks like what appears to be a traffic camera on top !!
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chameleon (User)
Posted on: 21-Apr-2010 21:59:57.
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| PC - Dublin wrote: |
| Looks like what appears to be a traffic camera on top !! |
Agreed - definately a camera Phill, quite a lot around like that - note the deterent barbs to foil would be climbers - catapult is all you need!
Noticed the design of the new lamp standards in Crossgate, particularly Austhorpe Road, rather reminiscent of the old stench pipes.
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Phill_dvsn (User)
Posted on: 21-Apr-2010 22:06:45.
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Yes it does look like a ball camera doesn't it? And it is just like an old stench pipe. It must be a (very poorly disguised) covert camera to combat the thieving Pikies around that area. It must be the nearby factory/works set up.
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