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Thanks for the pic, Stevief.
It's quite an interesting building and probably older than it at first looks. If you look closely at the stonework, earlier window openings can be seen in slightly different positions. There's even a bit of brick suggesting it may at one time have been rendered (not unlike the Dyneley Arms was, before the fire.)
I'm not sure when it closed, as I've had conflicting info. I've heard late fifties but also 1970!
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Have you any idea where other former pubs on your list are situated around Otley? There are quite a few buildings which look as though they could have been pubs in Otters...
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Hi Stevie
Yes, I do. Will post on Monday. Have limited time on computer at weekends!
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Stevief
Most of Otley's pubs appear in a ditty by Dick Sumner. This can be found on the wall of several pubs in Otley, and also a book called Old Otley by Elise Brumfitt (ISBN 0 9509191 3 6.) This book also mentions where the lost pubs were. The White Horse is now Barclays Bank and looks like it may have been a coaching house. The Black Horse (a very fine piece of late Victorian architecture) replaced an earlier structure (also The Black Horse) in about 1900. The Queens Head was at the bottom of Kirkgate about two doors up from the Jubilee Clock. The Cock and Bottle is now the older half of Bondgate Bakery. The Half Moon was near the bottom of Westgate (now a couple of shops) opposite the Black Horse's stables. The taxi place on Wesley Street looks like it may have been a pub, as does the chippie behind the bus station on Newmarket, I think. The New Inn was near The Black Bull (double-fronted with bay windows), now Superdrug. The Yeoman on Gay Lane was originally called The Waterloo, then the Fountain. The Melbourne Vaults was next-door to the Bay Horse. In the covered ginnel between them are opposing blocked-up doorways. Must have been handy to get from one pub to the next if it was raining! I believe the Bay Horse's gents used to belong to the Vaults, as you have to cross the ginnel to get to them. The Westbourne on Bradford Road is now an Indian restaurant called Westbourne Spice.
Hope this is of use.
Cheers
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PS Just to show how many pubs there were in Otley, here's a list of surviving ones.
Yew Tree, Three Horseshoes, Bay Horse, White Swan, Manor, Black Bull, Ring'O'Bells, Red Lion, Whitaker's, Woolpack, Rose and Crown, Junction, Yeoman, Black Horse, Cross Pipes, Fleece, Summercross (not sure if it's open) and you could include the Spite and the Royalty.
I've suddenly come over all thirsty! Is it nearly dinner-time?!!!
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stevief
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Thanks for that Si.It's the sort of research that makes my mouth go dry.I'm spitting feathers now!
I can remember when the Yeoman was the Fountain(Websters?) I also remember the New Inn well,a cosy pub in winter with an open coal fire and I've seen live music in the Westbourne.
I've been in all the present day pubs you mentioned but next time I'm over there I'll check out the former pub sites.
Thanks again.
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You'll have to trust me on this one.If you thought LS1's pic.of the Golden Cross was a bit vague,wait till you 'see' this.The pic.above is of Commercial Road(mid 50's).To the left of the lorry is a gable end with what looks like a pub sign on it(It's clearer if you magnify the pic.) I'm 99% certain this is The Old George,a Duttons pub,
demolished late 60's.It was sometimes known as the little George to avoid confusion with George IV. |
Just found this pic on Leodis of the 'Old George' on Commercial Road Kirkstall - Kirkstall Ales. The garage is 'Randerson's' previosly the same firm that shipped out to Horsforth. (They used to always run 'local' ads at the cinema after the'Pearl and Dean 'bit) |
Great find drapesy.You must spend some hours on leodis! It must have been Kirkstall Ales before Duttons.
Cheers mate.
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Stevief
If you need any more pub research doing, just let me know!!!!!!
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Stevief
If you need any more pub research doing, just let me know!!!!!! |
Cheers Si.It's always surprised me that there doesn't appear to be a pub or Hotel anywhere near the old railway station but I realise the town centre more than makes up for the omission!
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PS Just to show how many pubs there were in Otley, here's a list of surviving ones.
Yew Tree, Three Horseshoes, Bay Horse, White Swan, Manor, Black Bull, Ring'O'Bells, Red Lion, Whitaker's, Woolpack, Rose and Crown, Junction, Yeoman, Black Horse, Cross Pipes, Fleece, Summercross (not sure if it's open) and you could include the Spite and the Royalty.
I've suddenly come over all thirsty! Is it nearly dinner-time?!!!
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If memory serves me right the 'Three Horseshoes' changed its name sometime in the 80s. I think it was called the 'Lix' or 'Lyx' - no idea why. Thankfully common sense prevailed and it returned to its original name.
I also remember when the 'Spite' still had signs up saying 'The Roebuck' - its original name - 'Spite' being a nickname.
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Yes, Drapesy, the Three Horseshoes was called The Lix for a while. I think it was renamed after the cattle market which used to be in the car park at the back (before it was moved down by the river - that's flattened now) which was also called the Lix (or Licks?) - don't know why - cattle licks? - salt?. Anyway, it's my least favourite pub in Otley - can't stand the place - it's chav central.
Was the Spite's full nickname Spite and Malice? There's a snicket near Rawdon golf course also called Spite and Malice.
Cheers
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Stevief
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Cheers Si.It's always surprised me that there doesn't appear to be a pub or Hotel anywhere near the old railway station but I realise the town centre more than makes up for the omission! |
Yeah, you're right. I hadn't thought of that. Maybe the refreshment rooms were brilliant! The nearest pub would have been the Woolpack - at least it was down hill!
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Yes, Drapesy, the Three Horseshoes was called The Lix for a while. I think it was renamed after the cattle market which used to be in the car park at the back (before it was moved down by the river - that's flattened now) which was also called the Lix (or Licks?) - don't know why - cattle licks? - salt?. Anyway, it's my least favourite pub in Otley - can't stand the place - it's chav central.
Was the Spite's full nickname Spite and Malice? There's a snicket near Rawdon golf course also called Spite and Malice.
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The story I heard (cant remember where - possibly it was in a picture frame on a wall of the pub) is that originally there were two pubs - the spite and the building attached to it (further up the hill - not sure if this is now part of the Spite, or a separate cottage) were both pubs. I cant remember what the name of the other pub was but apparently the 2 landlords at one stage hated each other and were always rowing - and locals referered to them (and by extension their hostelries)as " Spite and Malice"
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Stevief
Most of Otley's pubs appear in a ditty by Dick Sumner. This can be found on the wall of several pubs in Otley, and also a book called Old Otley by Elise Brumfitt (ISBN 0 9509191 3 6.) This book also mentions where the lost pubs were. The White Horse is now Barclays Bank and looks like it may have been a coaching house. The Black Horse (a very fine piece of late Victorian architecture) replaced an earlier structure (also The Black Horse) in about 1900. The Queens Head was at the bottom of Kirkgate about two doors up from the Jubilee Clock. The Cock and Bottle is now the older half of Bondgate Bakery. The Half Moon was near the bottom of Westgate (now a couple of shops) opposite the Black Horse's stables. The taxi place on Wesley Street looks like it may have been a pub, as does the chippie behind the bus station on Newmarket, I think. The New Inn was near The Black Bull (double-fronted with bay windows), now Superdrug. The Yeoman on Gay Lane was originally called The Waterloo, then the Fountain. The Melbourne Vaults was next-door to the Bay Horse. In the covered ginnel between them are opposing blocked-up doorways. Must have been handy to get from one pub to the next if it was raining! I believe the Bay Horse's gents used to belong to the Vaults, as you have to cross the ginnel to get to them. The Westbourne on Bradford Road is now an Indian restaurant called Westbourne Spice.
Hope this is of use.
Cheers
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I think also the former 'Mason's Arms' still exists - there's a small sign on what is now a private house.
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Yes, Drapesy, the Three Horseshoes was called The Lix for a while. I think it was renamed after the cattle market which used to be in the car park at the back (before it was moved down by the river - that's flattened now) which was also called the Lix (or Licks?) - don't know why - cattle licks? - salt?. Anyway, it's my least favourite pub in Otley - can't stand the place - it's chav central.
Was the Spite's full nickname Spite and Malice? There's a snicket near Rawdon golf course also called Spite and Malice.
Cheers
Si |
The story I heard (cant remember where - possibly it was in a picture frame on a wall of the pub) is that originally there were two pubs - the spite and the building attached to it (further up the hill - not sure if this is now part of the Spite, or a separate cottage) were both pubs. I cant remember what the name of the other pub was but apparently the 2 landlords at one stage hated each other and were always rowing - and locals referered to them (and by extension their hostelries)as " Spite and Malice"
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Now you mention it, Drapesy, I think I've heard that story. Mind you, TWO pubs in the middle of nowhere. Can't have been much passing trade.
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just passed the shaftesbury today drapesy and im sad to report that the "dreaded tin shutters of death" have been put up on the windows so it looks like another one bites the dust eh???:-(
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| just passed the shaftesbury today drapesy and im sad to report that the "dreaded tin shutters of death" have been put up on the windows so it looks like another one bites the dust eh???:-( |
Yes - and the Highland and the Swan with 2 necks are both still closed. Very Sad.
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hi drapesy and big s...
British queen was on glasshouse st as i recall...up from anchor was the red house..licensee..alf ginger burnell ex hunslet rlfc..craven gate did not have a spirit licence..toilets out side..the clergy from hillidge rd opp..used to go in the gate in their cassocks..the gate run by italians ..ice cream vendors kept the ice cream cart in the yard at the back..i live near a lady from that family was a little girl lived in the pub..
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The British Queen was on Grape Street
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And here is the British Queen in 1999 (from Leodis)shortly before it was demolished. I Remember going in a couple of times in the 1980's when it seemed to be the only building left standing on Grape Street. Tetley's if I remember correctly - but must have changed at some stage as its not Tetley signage in this pic. Looks like it was extended at one time. |
Demolished? oh dear - I've made a bit of a boo-boo here.
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Hi - newbie here...expat Loiner in Scandyland.
Surprised nobody has mentioned the old King Charles pub, on Lands Lane (I think the Headrow Shopping Mall was built over that whole area?).
Some happy memories form the Charles in my student days (1970's).
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the pic of the king charles brought back great memories of the late 60s- early 70s in my time i remember it as a mixture of middle aged townies and young mods who had made it their own
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| At the risk of 'jumping the gun' heres the Sandford Arms in the pouring rain. Still open, but on 'Death Row' apparently.. |
ive just past the sandford arms on the 91 bus its closed and the demo men are stripping the roof.
i must get a pic of it tomorrow.
my dad worked on this pub when it was being built in the 30s
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'the pic of the king charles brought back great memories of the late 60s- early 70s in my time i remember it as a mixture of middle aged townies and young mods who had made it their own'
Remember this as being busy but comfortable - and just about old enough to be there!.
The building to the left is the 'new' bit of Schofields, household goods and furniture. There was a long but small underground tunnel which joined this to the basement of the original store on the Headrow, to allow staff to move between the two.
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