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Si
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heres my 2cents lol |
And the doorway is tall,you can see theres some infill above the window,Brandy i think you are on my wavelength here.
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That's right. The brickwork on the gable-end is unusual, too. The chimney isn't tied-in to the sloping parts on either side, either. Can't think why.
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Si
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| Where's Camp Road, Chris? |
It was what now is Lovell park Road, just near where the Hobby Horse pub is. |
Thanks, Lee.
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cnosni
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| heres my 2cents lol |
And the doorway is tall,you can see theres some infill above the window,Brandy i think you are on my wavelength here.
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That's right. The brickwork on the gable-end is unusual, too. The chimney isn't tied-in to the sloping parts on either side, either. Can't think why. |
A later addition possibly,we know the building was there by 1847,so the chimney could well have been added at any time after that.
We must take into account the constant changing of the uses of such buildings over the years,there are probably layer upon layer buildings all jumbled together through the last 300 years,just look at the original White Cloth Hall.
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LS1
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If it's any help I was looking at the old maps that I got from the library (theo ones you have also cnosni) and in some of the older ones the buildings look like on big lump with no passageway onto Kirkgate.
Also I cant help but thinking the 1947 map was of interest.
at work at the mo but I'll check later.
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slw
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I know that Ion Dyson has been mentioned a couple of times on this thread. Webster & Dyson were located at 60 Kirkgate
More info here
http://www.blackie-ltd.co.uk/History.htm
Sorry if it's already been mention or if the info is use nor ornament !!
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cnosni
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I know that Ion Dyson has been mentioned a couple of times on this thread. Webster & Dyson were located at 60 Kirkgate
More info here
http://www.blackie-ltd.co.uk/History.htm
Sorry if it's already been mention or if the info is use nor ornament !!
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It all builds a picture mate,id rather people post such stuff even if it has been covered.
I was thinking of contacting the Yorkshire Diary section of the YEP,and see if can get some help on the skulls there.
Im sure that most of the older readers wont be able to access the web,but will be able to contact the column with any help.
What do you lot think?
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cnosni
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I know that Ion Dyson has been mentioned a couple of times on this thread. Webster & Dyson were located at 60 Kirkgate
More info here
http://www.blackie-ltd.co.uk/History.htm
Sorry if it's already been mention or if the info is use nor ornament !!
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It all builds a picture mate,id rather people post such stuff even if it has been covered.
I was thinking of contacting the Yorkshire Diary section of the YEP,and see if can get some help on the skulls there.
Im sure that most of the older readers wont be able to access the web,but will be able to contact the column with any help.
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sounds good to me mate when you thinking of ringing them??
heres a little tale of a robbery that happened at the crown&fleece,totaly unconnected to the skulls but a cracking little tale none the less!
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Thought i would drop them an email,and give them a connection to what has already been covered in the YEP
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Phill_d
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Why don't we bang a letter in the letters page as well?
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cnosni
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| Why don't we bang a letter in the letters page as well? |
Yeah,why not.
Thought the Yorkshire diary would be good as anyone with info can submit it to the column.
Cant find a direct email for Yorkshire diary,i know there is one,usually printed on the column on Saturday but ive not got a YEP from saturday.
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LS1
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More updates for you guys!
Just spoken to Kenneth Goor. very interesting chap who told me that the story as he heard it was about the to recruits and the sergeant went there to stay and the recruits had to staty in the hay loft as they had no money for the Inn (Crown and Fleece). In the morning it looked like they had done a runner.
A few days later they were clearing the hay and found the two decomposing corpses quite a way down.
Soooooo, not much further but Ken did say that a guy called Barrie Pepper wrote a book called "Old Inn's and pubs of Leeds" which he mentions the Order of the forresters setting up there in 1790.
Ken cannot remember where he heard the story from, but is having a look and will let me know.
I have another lead to follow, so I will keep you all updated!
also, an interesting point about the Old Roscoe that I will post on the relevent thread - this should tantalise you Phill (but you probably already know!!!)
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Good to see you heard from the Author. Did you tell him we found the skulls Lee? When he wrote the book he didn't know were they were. So he only knows the folk lore version and no real fact as well then? The Crown inn relevant to the Foresters and the Crown & Fleece are 2 separate pubs. I don't know which if any of them are the pub in question myself as yet.
I've seen Peppers old Inns and pubs books, but I'll be interested to see what you put up Lee. I guess it could be regarding the elusive plaque perhaps
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Good to see you heard from the Author. Did you tell him we found the skulls Lee? When he wrote the book he didn't know were they were. So he only knows the folk lore version and no real fact as well then? The Crown inn relevant to the Foresters and the Crown & Fleece are 2 separate pubs. I don't know which if any of them are the pub in question myself as yet.
I've seen Peppers old Inns and pubs books, but I'll be interested to see what you put up Lee. I guess it could be regarding the elusive plaque perhaps |
folk after get up a little bit earlier to get owt past our phill lol
ps/phill dont be getting side tracked with that damn elusive plaque mate,we need you on this mission
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Ha ha Brandy. I've just had a walk to the shop and given this skully duo a little thought.
Well after us all going skull crazy and researching like mad this last week, we can safely say we haven't got anywhere in the slightest 
A little re-evaluation is in order. What we all seem to agree on is the skulls would not have been carved especially for these two men, We seem to think they came from some where else originally. Well in this case I'm just wondering how likely it would be if 2 men died and someone who knew about the tragedy at a gathering with the men's friends one day said, Hey.. I happen to know were there are two carved skulls in storage, this would match our 2 men perfectly, we can have them fitted in the spot to mark the occasion. Is it a likely thing?? It would be a damn good spot of luck if it were. It's not impossible by any means, just a little fairy story sounding with a nice ending perhaps?
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LS1
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Good to see you heard from the Author. Did you tell him we found the skulls Lee? When he wrote the book he didn't know were they were. So he only knows the folk lore version and no real fact as well then? The Crown inn relevant to the Foresters and the Crown & Fleece are 2 separate pubs. I don't know which if any of them are the pub in question myself as yet.
I've seen Peppers old Inns and pubs books, but I'll be interested to see what you put up Lee. I guess it could be regarding the elusive plaque perhaps |
Told him, he was intersted.
Also gave me the name of a guy in his 80's who remembers the skulls in their original place.
Will call him tomorrow now as it is a little late now. More details to come.
Think the plaques trail has gone cold for a bit now. All attentions focussed on this one I think ;-)
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It could have been something like a templer cross, dont tax here, they could have had a totally different reason for being there than folke think. Someone could later on after whatever buisness or group of people have left may have told someone about them while in the pub and someone could have over heard them and then it goes on and on and on and gets twisted and so on.
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Ha ha Brandy. I've just had a walk to the shop and given this skully duo a little thought.
Well after us all going skull crazy and researching like mad this last week, we can safely say we haven't got anywhere in the slightest
So I think a little rethink is in order. What we all seem to agree on is the skulls would not have been carved especially for these two men, We seem to think they came from some where else originally. Well in this case I'm just wondering how likely it would be if 2 men died, and someone who knew about this tragedy at a little gathering with the men's friends one day said, Hey I know were there are two carved skulls in storage we can have them fitted in the spot to mark the occasion. Is it likely??
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i think all options are open phill,but it sounds good to me mate
I've just got a feeling that we are missing something,and when we find it everything will click-into place................but im not having it that there's no truth in the story what so ever! anyroad im still trawling through that gale site(there's some damn fine stuff in there)just in case i can find a snippet of info.
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No I agree Brandy there must be something (however small) in the story that fits. The question is which one is it? The skulls been carved especially? The skulls been older and in storage, or the skulls been there for a totally different reason and this tragedy (if it did happen) been a coincidence? What we do know is the skulls were definitely there but why?
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Eeh gads, info overload. May be able to help with the TV thing, I'll look into it.
As for the YEP's 'area of influence' it doesn't cover the whole county - more like Wakey to Harrogate. York has the Evening Press as I recall. Yorkshire Post does cover the whole of Yorkshire though, which is a bit confusing.
As for Dunki looking a bit more weathered, well I wouldn't be surprised ... t'would make sense Munki looks fit as a fiddle (for his age anyway, hehe!)
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Good to see you heard from the Author. Did you tell him we found the skulls Lee? When he wrote the book he didn't know were they were. So he only knows the folk lore version and no real fact as well then? The Crown inn relevant to the Foresters and the Crown & Fleece are 2 separate pubs. I don't know which if any of them are the pub in question myself as yet.
I've seen Peppers old Inns and pubs books, but I'll be interested to see what you put up Lee. I guess it could be regarding the elusive plaque perhaps |
Told him, he was intersted.
Also gave me the name of a guy in his 80's who remembers the skulls in their original place.
Will call him tomorrow now as it is a little late now. More details to come.
Think the plaques trail has gone cold for a bit now. All attentions focussed on this one I think ;-) |
I remember the skulls in their original place!!!
You dont have to be THAT old!
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Eeh gads, info overload. May be able to help with the TV thing, I'll look into it.
As for the YEP's 'area of influence' it doesn't cover the whole county - more like Wakey to Harrogate. York has the Evening Press as I recall. Yorkshire Post does cover the whole of Yorkshire though, which is a bit confusing.
As for Dunki looking a bit more weathered, well I wouldn't be surprised ... t'would make sense Munki looks fit as a fiddle (for his age anyway, hehe!)
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Hi all - just spent the last hour trying to follow the umpteen-odd pages like dsco - it would be much easier if we could all watch throughout the day, but not possible from work
No sooner had a thought about a post ,than find someone's already replied! It's amazing how much you are all getting through on this.
I think those maps of yours phill were put out in a celebration pack, maybe for the Lord Mayor's apeal some years ago. I think I have them still from about 1600 as I recall but they are fairly small reproductions and not as easy to read as they might be.
I still think the TV might help - point taken about the YEP but even a presenter's mention must reach a wider audience than their 50K circulation. And it might just help.
Going back to try again to follow it all
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Are you guys still meeting tomorrow? I might just come along for half n hour in my lunch break if you are.
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Yeah 1 o'clock at the Corn Exchange Frishbee. Were going to be doing the 'village people thing' again..starring at blokes wondering if it's him who is our contact. your ok cos I know you tho! All other attendees were a red rose please
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forgot to mention before that Ken Goor mentioned that the pub closed in 1930 which ties in almost with Neil Dyson saying it closed in 1933.
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